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Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
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Points: 99 |
 Posted: 29 Nov 2011 at 04:45 |
 Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
PS: We at Harmless (?) are trying terribly hard at the moment to not look smug regards our so recent thread posting requesting dialogue before encroaching upon ones space in order to prevent, ahem, incident. Hur.
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This was not about settling within a 10sq radius of a WE city, it is claiming sov sq's right outside a WE players city...this behaviour can be deemed hostile to say the least...am sure if it was done to any other player, they would feel a lil imposed on too.
Its common curtesy to respect the boundaries of another player.
Amroth wrote:
This entire episode has been idiotic from the beginning. The sovereign spot is a 13 food spot so this is what the excitement is about. Ratboy claimed the spot. As I see it. it is between the two cities. Gruntfuddock had ample opportunity to claim the spot. he has more then enough population there. If he delayed and the spot was claimed, he can blame none but himself.
As to who owns the spot.....first come, first served...This should have been worked out peacefully between the two players who are close to the spot. Knock it off and be good. And maybe I want the spot....13 farmspots....gesssuz christ!
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The whole point of settling next to a high dolman is to claim it for later use.....Im all for first in first serve when it comes to things that are located away from player cities and not things right outside a players door....
The one that should of sent the mail was the player that took it upon himself to claim the sq right outside my fellow alliance memebers city!! but didnt!
As for working this situation out peacefully, that is what is happening now!
Thanx for the concern, most appreciated
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Tordenkaffen
Postmaster
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 821 |
Posted: 29 Nov 2011 at 20:48 |
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I think - without wishing to take this thread off topic, that the question raised here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/cleaning-up_topic2881.html has a bearing on this thread as well. While this thread debates the motives behind a specific move, the link adresses the root of the problem.
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Prometheuz
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 230 |
Posted: 30 Nov 2011 at 02:05 |
Tordenkaffen wrote:
I think - without wishing to take this thread off topic, that the question raised here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/cleaning-up_topic2881.html has a bearing on this thread as well. While this thread debates the motives behind a specific move, the link adresses the root of the problem. |
I am afraid that it does take it off topic imho and with respect to Tordenkaffen I ask for the post to be removed
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GM Luna
New Poster
Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
Location: Illyriad
Status: Offline
Points: 2042 |
Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 18:52 |
Thread cleaned to remove name calling, unnecessary grammar policing and other off-topic shenanigans. If you are going to contribute please do so while respecting forum rules.
Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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Amroth
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Mar 2011
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 78 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 19:07 |
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The two spots on question are not on anyones directly adjacent space, (so much for the front porch argument) Also so much for WE working things out peacefully and in a diplomatic fashion. This has translated to martial attacks on the spots in question and an occupation of these spots against their former owners by WE members with military troops. I refute the assumption of WE that might dictates right. Furthermore I find this unsatisfactory with regards to the direction of events. This has moved from stupid to belligerent. If this is to be the official position from WE regarding this issue than this leaves small room for a any civil negotiation and punitive actions should be expected
Edited by Amroth - 16 Dec 2011 at 06:03
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Sloter
Forum Warrior
Joined: 14 Aug 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 304 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 20:06 |
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I dont think that actions of single player (for which he was kicked out of alliance) can be contributed to entire alliance,i think that peacefull solution can still be found.Greater are chanses for that if others refrain from adding oil to the fire.Best to leave punitive actions aside.
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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 982 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 20:20 |
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I gather Amroth means that attacks on the square have happened between now and the posting of this thread. In my mind the square (assuming we are still talking about the same one) is within 2-3 squares of the WE city and not remotely close to the RES settlement, so it's their right to defend that area however they choose.
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Sloter
Forum Warrior
Joined: 14 Aug 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 304 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 20:33 |
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I see now, sov owner or that dolmen has changed indeed.It will probably change hands many times before it is all resolved.
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Capricorne
Wordsmith
Joined: 15 May 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 117 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 22:22 |
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"so much for the front porch argument"Oh my, you can't be serious Amroth. The spot is 2 squares away from the WE city! If the same thing happened to me I'd gladely send a diplomatic message to the ex owner of those troops explaining why a suspicious army wich cross my borther unannounced has vanish. And I'm pretty sure my whole alliance will back me up on this.
And for the "
punitive actions should be expected" thing; do you mean by your doing?
Cap.
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Amroth
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Mar 2011
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 78 |
Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 23:45 |
What I am saying is that the square does not directly abut any player city and so is not subject to automatic sovereignty expectation. Personally I think the space should have been surrendered to WE after diplomatic negotiation and concessions to RES for the spot. This was not the case though. WE who has proclaimed in their own alliance statement to be a peaceful alliance has in effect nullified their own claim by these actions. The spaces are now under WE control due to martial attacks issued by WE members.
Let every alliance know, whether it means us good or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of Liberty.
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