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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2011 at 20:24
As to who owns the spot.....first come, first served...This should have been worked out peacefully between the two players who are close to the spot. Knock it off and be good. And maybe I want the spot....13 farmspots....gesssuz christ!

0nly 13 ? it warranted ratboy to not only settle in amongst us, capping a high lvl 20 square right next door to him...but it seems he wasn't content with just that, he felt the need to move into one of our members territory and blatantly steal it from under his nose.
I ask you a fair question.....would you sit back and accept that, if it was done to your town?
 
WE had no qualms about Res moving in amongst us despite the tensions between us, but now they take a step too far, WE members hold respect for ALL players when they play fair and would NEVER contemplate infringing upon other peoples territories to that degree.
As for you spew about talking it out...shame RES didn't talk to us first about their intentions instead of bulldozing their way in first.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2011 at 20:41
Oh btw...seems Illy has lost a great guy in sel despite his faults, his only guilt was being over passionate about the world of ILLY.......YES AA....and all because of " only a 13 food square "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2011 at 20:59
Originally posted by lorre lorre wrote:

Originally posted by EternalFire EternalFire wrote:

How close?

Isn't it common courtesy to assume if a city is next to high sov, as im assuming is what it was, its as good as theirs?



this is just to answer the question of eternalfire
 

- 131|-432 sovsquare
-129|-432 WE city
-137|-431 Res city


My only comment on this is that the game mechanics can be used to show that the claiming of a 13 food sov square over 6 away is a poor choice.  A 5 food sov square up to 2.24 away would net a greater return on investment. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2011 at 21:23
Originally posted by Belthazor Belthazor wrote:

Originally posted by Gemley Gemley wrote:

You always have been a aggressive player havent you shadow1? In fact I remember when I used to play Illyriad and you attacked one of my alliance members more then once on the grounds that she was in your territory, good for her that The Dude got you to stop. No surpise that you are one of the players wanting to attack The Dude.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2011 at 22:52
Originally posted by Anjire Anjire wrote:

 

My only comment on this is that the game mechanics can be used to show that the claiming of a 13 food sov square over 6 away is a poor choice.  A 5 food sov square up to 2.24 away would net a greater return on investment. 


This.  Clearly the fact that this is an issue beyond explaining this to ratboy makes this look like a deliberate provocation.  While attacking insignificantly small players is clearly not the best course of action(besides being the most inefficient use of 2k cavalry I can easily think of), I wouldn't fault WE at all for starting on military options. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 00:07
Originally posted by Anjire Anjire wrote:

Originally posted by lorre lorre wrote:

Originally posted by EternalFire EternalFire wrote:

How close?

Isn't it common courtesy to assume if a city is next to high sov, as im assuming is what it was, its as good as theirs?



this is just to answer the question of eternalfire
 

- 131|-432 sovsquare
-129|-432 WE city
-137|-431 Res city


My only comment on this is that the game mechanics can be used to show that the claiming of a 13 food sov square over 6 away is a poor choice.  A 5 food sov square up to 2.24 away would net a greater return on investment. 



Not all people claim sov based on investment return:

or even KP - the lovely leader of H?  :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 01:27
Sorry to see Selwyn leave the game, there can be no winner now!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 01:42
It is a good point fluffy.

But I would assume in both the cases that you pointed out that the longer distance sov claims were made though incorrectly assessing the cost/benefit potential of sov claims around their cities and not for any other strategic reason.

Indeed even the leaders of H? are no infallable.

In the situation this thread pertains to I would have been tempted to approach the situation by carefully explaining to the 'long sov' owner that he could claim 3-4 squares closer to his city for the same upkeep and generated an overall greater food sov bonus (and greater flexibility for production bonuses further down the road).

In this case I suspect that the offended party responded the the 'long claim' in a rather less logical manner.

Having said that this is only the briefest of assessments on my part - I do not know the full details - perhaps the 'long claim' was indeed initiated as a provocative move - I suspect my initial guess holds more truth though.

I guess it has been said many times before - but good communication and careful explainations should always be the first moves to avoid causing offense and potentially escalating a situtation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 02:07
Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

It is a good point fluffy.

But I would assume in both the cases that you pointed out that the longer distance sov claims were made though incorrectly assessing the cost/benefit potential of sov claims around their cities and not for any other strategic reason.

Indeed even the leaders of H? are no infallable.

In the situation this thread pertains to I would have been tempted to approach the situation by carefully explaining to the 'long sov' owner that he could claim 3-4 squares closer to his city for the same upkeep and generated an overall greater food sov bonus (and greater flexibility for production bonuses further down the road).

In this case I suspect that the offended party responded the the 'long claim' in a rather less logical manner.

Having said that this is only the briefest of assessments on my part - I do not know the full details - perhaps the 'long claim' was indeed initiated as a provocative move - I suspect my initial guess holds more truth though.

I guess it has been said many times before - but good communication and careful explainations should always be the first moves to avoid causing offense and potentially escalating a situtation.

Thank you for this post because I see now that the root of this issue involves ignorance of the mechanics of sovereignty on the part more than a few people involved in this sad affair.   Now I see the importance of understanding the games mechanics before rushing headlong into a situation only to find that your own ignorance has enflamed and exaggerated matters beyond control
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 04:17
Just a minor note: the "return on investment" assessment only applies if you're long-term plans do not support claiming all squares within 2.24 tiles distance and the high-value square outside that radius.
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