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bartimeus 
Forum Warrior   Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Right behind U Status: Offline Points: 222 |
 Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 16:34 |
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@becblue.
did not read your post, it's way too messy...
use quotes, don't just copy-paste.
Edited by bartimeus - 23 Nov 2010 at 16:35 |
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Bartimeus, your very best friend.
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| Becblue
New Poster   Joined: 28 May 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9 |
Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 16:46 |
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Im sorry if you think it's way to messy to read but we can't always be perfect, It is currently 2:30am iam tired but wanted to make the post whilst im still on as i haven't had much time lately as i have been busy in RL. So again Sorry to anyone who has a problem with my post. Thanks BecBlue
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| Teiru
New Poster  Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 9 |
Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 16:57 |
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Sorry but It always takes me a good 5 min to figure out your trying to say due to that layout of your posts. I'm not sure if your spy has informed you but Cyan only had GOOD things to say about you, Bec, in our alliance chat, unlike me. And as we all can see the date on those mails is 23rd October. Whereas, if you check Yearick's mails that were posted earlier in this thread are from 25th October. Point is that our leader had tried to follow up this issue and solve it peacefully with you, even offering a NAP that was not being accepted for over a week. As far as I know it wasn't these minor diplomatic issues that even started the war. Instead it was some "thievery" from Cyan which you claimed. But you are right, none of this matters now as neither I nor Cyan are a part of WE anymore. And yes, I had to say that last thing about moms as well. :) |
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| Teiru
New Poster Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 9 |
Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 21:19 |
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One thing that bothers me is that you, Bec, actually call Cyan a bully. The irony of it is that you and your friends fit the description of a bully perfectly. Allow me to demonstrate. A bully is someone bigger going against someone much smaller than him. PoS/Valar/Cala combined number is roughly a bit over 1 million population, whereas WE was about 210k. Not much to discuss here so let's move on. A bully is someone despite already having a great advantage seeking other cowardly ways to increase his already great advantage.
Now, if this was just some foot-soldier or a novice member it wouldn't really matter, however, the person in question happens to be ranked as 'High Council' in his alliance, Valar. Not only were they afraid of other WE members reinforcing Cyan's cities but they also threatened other members to leave the alliance. I thought Cyan was the only issue, so why bother attacking Balkin? A bully is someone seeking to humiliate his victims and despite his great advantage, he is proud of it. While for most by standers it's perceived as rather pathetic. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5434/patheticbill.jpg As you can see in the linked picture above, WildBill is proudly showing his 'trophy' not even bothering to change the name of the city. Laughable, at best.
I think that most people of Illyriad get a clear picture of who and what you guys really are. Although, I'm aware that you have some exceptions, some good guys which I won't name, as that would be punishing them for being good. This will also be my last post here as I wasted enough time on you already.
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| Finrod
Greenhorn   Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 00:50 |
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Due to real world geography, time zones, and the inconvenience of the human body needing sleep, I can't say with 100% certainty, but with 98.4% certainty, I think an agreement has been reached between World's End and Prisoners of Society. |
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| Finrod
Greenhorn Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 11:40 |
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Azreil reports his alliance is convening to discuss whether they will end hostilities or not. Any help with these negotiations would be greatly appreciated; I haven't had a lot of sleep lately because of all the messaging I've been doing.
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| Shadar Logoth
Wordsmith  Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 127 |
Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 18:26 |
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When the city-movement period started I contacted several alliances in this game for temporary confederations, allowing us, and their alliances to jump more freely.
One of those alliances was 0-0 lead by Becblue.
Obviously you discuss stuff as well, and seeing as the moving had been going relatively well for Invictus, I informed with Beclue how the moving for her alliance was coming along. She informed me that she had had most people jump to an area which they losely shared with WE.
Later on she emailed me saying 0-0 had run into some trouble as, as soon as their cities appeared in that area near Cyan they were being hit by diplomats, and caravans had been killed by Cyan.
We exchanged our views on that, and I had asked her if they had caught any thieves at that moment (with the possibility of them telling her who their master was), which was not the case. I suggested back tracking the thieves and she mailed back later that she had indeed seen thieves leaving cyan's city, attacking people from 0-0 .
She had send emails to various people of WE, Cyan and Yearick being some of them.
They denied all charges. WE then offered a NAP to 0-0, even though attacks were still happening. Becblue asked me what I thought and I suggested accepting the NAP. There could be 2 possible outcomes.
1. WE would indeed stop the attacks and thus, problem solved.
2. WE would just keep on attacking and then at least it would be clear that they had no honest/ friendly intentions. Problem solved to, because then 0-0 was justified in taking counter steps.
The NAP was signed, and shortly after canceled again by WE, needless to say that attacks had not ended.
As members from 0-0 in the past have helped out Invictus, and Invictus values its friends, we offered to help out if need be.
Then the TMM trouble arose. And Invictus was in a bind as we were just committing some troops to help out our friends, and we suddenly had to divert our course to TMM.
It was also clear that 0-0 didn't need our help, and when I suggested to Becblue that we could open up a small siege on one of the other WE members she said not to bother, as they were only focusing on Cyan, with him being the main offender.
The story continues...
But I just wanted to put this out in the open that a. this clearly was already happening before TMM, and thus, there is no smoke screen or whatever you want to call it, b. Becblue had consulted with other people BEFORE even deciding that 0-0 should take steps to remedy the problem.
I am quite sure that Cyan can be a wonderfull friend to people, and so there will always be people to speak out in his favour.
The same goes for Becblue.
In this case Cyan over-extended his reach, and got a hand chopped off. But fortunately in this game you can grow those on again, no harm done.
It remains a wargame at heart, with the emphasis on GAME...
I for one never have found any reasons to ever doubt Beclue before, just like some are so sure about Cyan, and just like there will always be people doubting everything that has been said and done.
And considering all I have read I will keep on valueing my friendship with Beclue, just as others will with Cyan.
Que sera sera
(ps yes the post has been edited... i corrected some spelling errors
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Edited by Shadar Logoth - 24 Nov 2010 at 18:28 |
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More Orc, less talking!
All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules. |
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| some random guy
Forum Warrior  Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: saturn Status: Offline Points: 378 |
Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 19:42 |
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Well, at least it isn't 28 pages long... yet.
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| Finrod
Greenhorn Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 05:57 |
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Shadar Logoth: I received the below from a third party when I was trying to learn if Cyan was guilty or innocent. The only thing that differs from your account above is that in the below the NAP was recsinded before it was signed, not after. I wasn't in leadership at that time, so I don't know which is true, and I don't know why WE recsinded the offer; I also don't know that this is the same message you refer to above, only that the accounts are similar and one detail differs. At that time, I was trying to learn as much as possible about what caused this, and asking as many alliance leaders as I could for what they knew. This was shared with me in hopes it would help me bring peace to the situation.
"0-0 talked with me, asking what i think the should do, as Cyan was still harassing them even while the leader send that NAP.
So i told them to take their bluff... if it was bluff by accepting them NAP. If they accepted it, and WE still kept going they would know the NAP was just a cover up. Then WE apparently suddenly withdrew the NAP and diplomatic assaults kept being thrown at 0-0 so now they decided to take the initiative by going after Cyan, the main offender." Please note, in a prior post I agreed with BecBlue in saying that I don't believe they were using TMM as a smokescreen; it was just the timing. I have found BecBlue to be respectful in our dialogues, and I hope that I have conducted myself in such a way that she would say the same of me. Unfortunately, what has happened cannot be undone, and we are now trying to move forward.
I don't know if I stated this before or not, but I would also like to say that Tinuviel of Caliquendi has also been most gracious in our talks, and she has my full respect for the way she has conducted herself.
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| Sgt..Shanks
Greenhorn  Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Location: BRITAIN Status: Offline Points: 56 |
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 12:54 |
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"Bullies are using the TMM smoke screen.. its unfair and unjustified:("
The above was my original statement.. and I stick by it!! However please note that my opinion was and remains to be, that [Valar] WERE and STILL ARE using the oportunity (and cover) to cause WE members many problems. Do Valar even acknowlege how many Alliance members of WE, are actually "New players"?? 
Not to mention (unfortunately) the 8 members that have not logged on for over 4 weeks. Therefore I can think of no other word than "Bullies" :P oportunistic, yes! But Bullies.. None the less :( |
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