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Originally posted by ajqtrz ajqtrz wrote:


But thanks for the comments.  At least you are speaking out, though it would be nice if you had some evidence to present to explain how it is you have come to feel as you fee.
AJ


Here is the proof:

Sorry, forgot you cannot post IGM's and other game conversations here. Had to take it down.


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Originally posted by Gragnog Gragnog wrote:

And if you think Stomp started this war having any real issue with land claims you are just as naive as your long posts suggest. They started the war because they were getting bored and knew attacking the land claims would get the response they wanted. This is just a game, enjoy it or leave.

I agree with you that this is definitely what it looks like, atleast to me too. My only question is, if they are bored, why pick a fight with people that don't want to fight, by trying to force their will on other players? Why not just ask people who wants to fight and then have a fight? Illy is not lacking people that want to fight. So let them arrange some nice alliance vs alliance competition if they are bored? Many people that they are forcing to fight are still trying to recover from the last war, and are in no shape to defend themselves yet. Many haven't even gotten back up to 10 cities yet, nevermind gotten beyond that. So picking a fight with them against their will is hardly a fair fight. And kicking them when they are already down will only drive them away from the game. Therefore if Stomp is bored, then they should find other people that are bored and arrange some nice competition. Then they would be looked up to as winners of the competition instead of looked down upon as people that forced an unwanted war by trying to lord over everyone else.

If they want, here is a suggestion for them. Pick a spot, any spot, preferably near the center of a large area. Then post a challenge to see what alliance can control it the longest, and offer some prize to whoever does. My guess is that if they make the prize big enough, then they will have plenty of people to fight against there, and none of them fighting against their will, and none of them losing rebuilding speed because of it.


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look more like strategy, its interesting play...persaonlly i want to thank all involved, it prob save the game and attract more players, personally think no action drives players away...as i have been reminded, very few players are sieged out of the game good luck and play on!
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Originally posted by Beyljr Beyljr wrote:

Originally posted by Gragnog Gragnog wrote:

And if you think Stomp started this war having any real issue with land claims you are just as naive as your long posts suggest. They started the war because they were getting bored and knew attacking the land claims would get the response they wanted. This is just a game, enjoy it or leave.

I agree with you that this is definitely what it looks like, atleast to me too. My only question is, if they are bored, why pick a fight with people that don't want to fight, by trying to force their will on other players? Why not just ask people who wants to fight and then have a fight? Illy is not lacking people that want to fight. So let them arrange some nice alliance vs alliance competition if they are bored? Many people that they are forcing to fight are still trying to recover from the last war, and are in no shape to defend themselves yet. Many haven't even gotten back up to 10 cities yet, nevermind gotten beyond that. So picking a fight with them against their will is hardly a fair fight. And kicking them when they are already down will only drive them away from the game. Therefore if Stomp is bored, then they should find other people that are bored and arrange some nice competition. Then they would be looked up to as winners of the competition instead of looked down upon as people that forced an unwanted war by trying to lord over everyone else.

If they want, here is a suggestion for them. Pick a spot, any spot, preferably near the center of a large area. Then post a challenge to see what alliance can control it the longest, and offer some prize to whoever does. My guess is that if they make the prize big enough, then they will have plenty of people to fight against there, and none of them fighting against their will, and none of them losing rebuilding speed because of it.


The ability to just go out and make war and leave the rest of us out of it, is, of course, a point I've made repeatedly.  So I agree with you.  Just don't drag players into it by attacking them, even if they do settle where you wish they would not. 

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Originally posted by Beyljr Beyljr wrote:

Originally posted by Gragnog Gragnog wrote:

And if you think Stomp started this war having any real issue with land claims you are just as naive as your long posts suggest. They started the war because they were getting bored and knew attacking the land claims would get the response they wanted. This is just a game, enjoy it or leave.

I agree with you that this is definitely what it looks like, atleast to me too. My only question is, if they are bored, why pick a fight with people that don't want to fight, by trying to force their will on other players? Why not just ask people who wants to fight and then have a fight? Illy is not lacking people that want to fight. So let them arrange some nice alliance vs alliance competition if they are bored? Many people that they are forcing to fight are still trying to recover from the last war, and are in no shape to defend themselves yet. Many haven't even gotten back up to 10 cities yet, nevermind gotten beyond that. So picking a fight with them against their will is hardly a fair fight. And kicking them when they are already down will only drive them away from the game. Therefore if Stomp is bored, then they should find other people that are bored and arrange some nice competition. Then they would be looked up to as winners of the competition instead of looked down upon as people that forced an unwanted war by trying to lord over everyone else.

If they want, here is a suggestion for them. Pick a spot, any spot, preferably near the center of a large area. Then post a challenge to see what alliance can control it the longest, and offer some prize to whoever does. My guess is that if they make the prize big enough, then they will have plenty of people to fight against there, and none of them fighting against their will, and none of them losing rebuilding speed because of it.

As is very well known the initiators of the land claims have a win win scenario , if land claims go unopposed they ll have a strategic win if there is opposition they get to war which as we all know they like to do (and they should play as they like, just like I do) so why do you accuse Stomps  of being the one to start this when this is only a reaction? 
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Originally posted by Agalloch Agalloch wrote:

As is very well known the initiators of the land claims have a win win scenario , if land claims go unopposed they ll have a strategic win if there is opposition they get to war which as we all know they like to do (and they should play as they like, just like I do) so why do you accuse Stomps  of being the one to start this when this is only a reaction? 

The way I see it, STOMP is merely set up to provoke a next server war. I am basing that on where some of their members come from, and we've seen a similar example of that when NAAM was formed, in the prelude of the Great War.

I have no idea why this is happening: just plain boredom, or maybe feeling threatened in the longer run or some outstanding grudges. Maybe a combination aof some/ all of those.

What I am sure about is that the reason STOMP claims, namely doing it for the good of the whole of Illy as aj claims, is complete bogus.

Of course I may be wrong. Maybe watching these cycles of instigating mass wars for over 3 years now for ridiculous reasons, has made me cynical.

For example, I hope nobody really believes the Consone War was really about possessing a trove mine.

For the rest, I'm joining Angrim when he says that everything I want to say has been said here.

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Before my time and I don't claim to speak for everyone else that is in Stomps  but I know none of that applies to me , all those happenings are before my time and I know almost nothing about it all, mostly conflicting stories at best from what I have seen.

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"What I am sure about is that the reason STOMP claims, namely doing it for the good of the whole of Illy as aj claims, is complete bogus.

Of course I may be wrong. Maybe watching these cycles of instigating mass wars for over 3 years now for ridiculous reasons, has made me cynical."

I wonder how somebody can be absolutely sure of something and in his very next phrase state that he could be wrong...

Excellent job Captain Kindly, keep on trolling
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I do believe we fail to understand motivation if we attempt to reduce what we do to a single motivation.  What motivates us can be thought of as pressure to go in one direction or another.  Thus, some motives may be self-seeking and others altruistic...and both may push us in one direction or the other at the same time.  So STOMP may or may not be motivated, in part, by boredom, or wanting to oppose land claims, or having an axe to grind, or liking the game to be more lively, or believing Santa Clause will bring them cookies someday if they go to war.  Pure motives are usually a myth and mixed motives more the norm.  For this reason, I think, it's probably unwise to guess STOMPS motives past what they have actually said, or, perhaps done, though what they have done may be subject to some interpretation.

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@Pico:

You can be sure about something and still be wrong. I have been proven wrong in life before.

In this case, I don't think I am though.

Speaking about trolling, please let that illyriadnews or whatever that account is called chime in.


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