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Points: 257 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 15:07
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

And Binky-- while number of players isn't everything, as you said, there is a hard limit on 10 cities/acct and on how much you can produce per city. That means that 40 accts have the capability of producing twice as much as twenty. That's not meaningless.


Still everyone can see most NC accounts are very well prepared and an 40 account alliance never has 40x10 cities. They may have the possibility, but they don't acctually produce twice as fast. That's what I meant with explaining numbers.
You can't state 40 against 20 is unfair as a fact, because there's a lot more to it then just the number of players or towns. I wanted to point that out. Offcourse the 40 have an advantage on the 20. Personally I think the amount of prestige buying players is much more an advantage.
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Originally posted by twilights twilights wrote:

alot of us were shocked at the demands placed on the consone group to surrender and all these decisions were made by top harm leadership...they were too personal, something that should never be placed on fellow players in a game...

+1 for that last line.  Smile

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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 15:16
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Aristeas Aristeas wrote:

Consone was bad due to pushing others around cause they had so many/big allies in their back, and that is exactly that what NC did since the war, without H? in the back doing anything against it (ok with me) or ending their alliance (there I can´t follow it anymore). Even now H? seems to have their hands over them and instead of aknowleding misdeeds by NC and distantiating themselves from them.

Dear Aristeas, there were no incidents of consone pushing anyone around. 

That is why H agents forcefully occupied our allied mines 2 squares away from their city and blew it up to a war. We were declared upon by H for the crime of breaking RHY sieges on our cities. 

If there were any real incidents of consone bullying, H would have used that instead of such a lame excuse.

Since I started playing, this is the third time H gets engaged in war with the second ranking alliance.  I am not sure of the causes of this war, but it appears to me as more of a reaction to the politics of H than anything to with NC.  

Edited for typo


Ander-- If you honestly believe that H? has started this war, then I want some of whatever you are drinking/smoking...
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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

And Binky-- while number of players isn't everything, as you said, there is a hard limit on 10 cities/acct and on how much you can produce per city. That means that 40 accts have the capability of producing twice as much as twenty. That's not meaningless.

I'd also like to point out that the Coalition (of Evil?) extorted billions of gold in the form of war reparations from the first part (cause this is the same war?) of the Trove War. I admit I have no way of knowing where all that gold is and what cause it has been used for.

With that much gold they can, and have been, going extreme negative on resource production to beef up sov. troop build times. 

i "know" this by doing my own experiments on the market with food prices and discovering evidence to support my hypothesis. Several alliance members sell excess food on the market. In the past 6 months the market for food sold directly from cities has multiplied. That's right. It did not simple go up, it has gone up in multitudes. 200K of food use to sell for 1.5 to 2 gold per unit. We can now sell it for around 5 gold per unit. 

Luckily Illyriad alerts you to who is buying your products. Since we sell food, we can see who has more gold than food. 

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Points: 1269 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 15:46
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:


Ander-- If you honestly believe that H? has started this war, then I want some of whatever you are drinking/smoking...

I dont think that H started this war Kumo.  If you look at incidents that popped up in GC over the last few weeks, you will see some  H members asking crows to reduce their sizes or disband some of their alliances. Perhaps they perceived a threat from H and decided to act. I am not privy to the other reasons behind the war. It is only a guess and I wont be surprised if I am wrong.


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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You post is a very good example of a discussion I recently had with Angrim in GC about the value of arguing in GC.

When you have one side of a disagreement who are very vocal in GC and forums and you have another side who are not, the argument which supports the former is heard much more often and the collective conscious of the game perceives that argument as "the truth" regardless of it's actual accuracy.  It's a direct example of "If you say it often enough, people will believe it".

NC did not used to participate in GC banter and forum warfare unless forced and as a result the side which paints them in a bad light is the one everyone "knows". 

It is true that NC is happy to go to war to support their position sooner than most when diplomatic failures occur and sure enough many folk who dislike war automatically assume that makes them bad guys and diss them in GC (E.g. Rill) even when they have no skin in the game and only a hazy view on the details of a particular issue. This enhances the effect described above so that most people's perception of the guys who don't talk as much in GC is slanted.

It's interesting that you mention the mCrow, but fail to see that this is a supporting example of how the situation is as I have described above - E.g. not nearly as black and white as some would paint it.

Well, of course I can only draw conclusions from what I have at my disposal, that makes them necessarily biased, but that´s too why I wrote this post, to get more information. If I would really enjoy blaming others instead of trying to understand them, I would have stayed in DLord and would be fighting at your side right now^^ Mh, maybe sounds rougher then meant, but you get the direction I hope... Let´s say, so I am sure, that I am not on the wrong side...

But the question is still, how with " It is true that NC is happy to go to war to support their position sooner than most when diplomatic failures occur  " in mind any of my conclusions are wrong? How can an alliance, that tries harder to stick to the diplomatic side, not see NC as a potential threat, especially when they are backed by a big alliance like yours? Consone "only" pushed around, you have an ally even fighting out wars (and doing so very sucessfully). And at least as Halycone percieved it, as long as NC was on the winning side, you did nothing, but as there was only the danger of them getting real contra for their actions, you tried to throw in your wight. 

You accuse others (probably rightly so) to instigate conflicts, especially through going over smaller alliances, you even seem to surpase them with using a small alliance to always be able to cry "foul!" when they are getting into real problems...

That´s probably not what you want, but I can understand why it is percieved as such, and your reactions here didn´t change that (yet)...

I mean, I can be wrong and it has nothing to do with NC and only with power play. But why I should only believe you, that you are trying to the right/justified stuff, while all the others are only mean/dumb/dishonourable? (well, very probable power/revenge seems really to have a part in it, but I still think it´s not the only reason for all the ones involved)

And to black and white: well, at least I had both on both sides, I don´t see where you yourself would start using even only grey in your description of your own position^^
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 16:45
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

200K of food use to sell for 1.5 to 2 gold per unit. We can now sell it for around 5 gold per unit.

Rubbish. Food sells for between 2 and 2.5 gold per unit. If you'd like to buy food from me at 5 gpu, I will happily sell you everything I have in my inventories, purchase more, and sell you that as well.
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Points: 1013 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 17:27
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

200K of food use to sell for 1.5 to 2 gold per unit. We can now sell it for around 5 gold per unit.

Rubbish. Food sells for between 2 and 2.5 gold per unit. If you'd like to buy food from me at 5 gpu, I will happily sell you everything I have in my inventories, purchase more, and sell you that as well.

We have several members who regularly sell at 4 gpu, and a few that sell at 5 gpu. 

Naturally our stats are skewed to the south east region as many people likely purchase from cities closer to them. 

Please note that since this post there has been an mass increase in food post to the global market, aswell as all of the current buy orders being removed. Whether they were fulfilled or canceled is unknown. 

Edit: I agree that food has typically sold for 2 -2.5 GPU. But in the past 6 months it has increased dramatically. I am hypothesizing that this is due to a massive increase in gold and a shifting of food sov to troop sov. The players purchasing our food sales reinforces my hypothesis. 



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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 17:42
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:


Ander-- If you honestly believe that H? has started this war, then I want some of whatever you are drinking/smoking...

I dont think that H started this war Kumo.  If you look at incidents that popped up in GC over the last few weeks, you will see some  H members asking crows to reduce their sizes or disband some of their alliances. Perhaps they perceived a threat from H and decided to act. I am not privy to the other reasons behind the war. It is only a guess and I wont be surprised if I am wrong.




Ander-- I'm the one who posted questions about the Crowalition getting overly large on GC on October 6th. Nobody else from H? did. And the telephone game has been rampant here. I NEVER asked Crows to reduce their size or disband some of their alliances.  Whoever told you this second hand is completely distorting the truth. What I did do was raise an open friendly question about how if the Crows continue to increase in numbers of alliances it could possibly be stifling to the game. Period. All the conspiracy theorists and/or folks trying to justify their hatred and attacks on H? have completely misrepresented that chat. But c'est la vie. If it wasn't that chat, they'd find some other way to try to attack us.

The bottom line is that we offered to have a parlay last night to discuss how small/medium alliances can have war with a neutral mediator, and I have yet to hear from a single member of the leadership of any of the alliances attacking us. Obviously their stated reasons for going to war, namely to curb NC's bullying, aren't actually the reasons they care the most about.

If all of these alliances didn't go to war to curb NC's bullying, then I wonder why they did?

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