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bansisdead 
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Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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 Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 00:16 |
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give me a B, give me a H, give me a S, what do you get, BSH, goooo BSH.
your local BSH cheerleader group.
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Chaos Armor
Forum Warrior
Joined: 07 Feb 2012
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Points: 213 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 00:27 |
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Orcs in cheerleader costumes...
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Silverlake
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Joined: 15 Oct 2011
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Points: 417 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 01:16 |
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Come on!!!! Let's be honest, WE has been abusive, arrogant, and antagonistic PERIOD
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 01:35 |
 HonoredMule wrote:
Simple. We felt RES were the wronged party and our interests had become aligned. At the same time, WE's ability to make peace with RES indicates whether they truly want peace or just want survival from a greater force while continuing to destroy the smaller.
We felt it would be very dishonorable for us to let WE out of our war so they could just bully a smaller enemy instead, particularly when that smaller enemy held a far higher standing with us than WE does.
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The highlighted segment speaks volumes. I mean, really, how could WE fall lower on H?'s totem pole than RES? That takes commitment and effort to achieve.
Seriously, I offered WE an opportunity to make nice with RES in August. The Duke was WE's rep on that. Those efforts failed then. I reopened those talks with Jasche in October. Again, utter failure greeted with both a Consone "request" that RES join them against H? and when refused met with a WE siege of a RES city. It was simply a matter of WE relinquishing about 6 Sovs within 2 sqs of RES cities. And an agreement to not do that again. Rejected with a Siege!
WE has demonstrated that it has NO interest at all in being a peaceful neighbor to RES. Consone (inclusive of VICX and VALAR) has demonstrated that Consone 100% supports WE in that mission.
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Hora
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Joined: 10 May 2010
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Points: 839 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 01:59 |
The_Dude wrote:
Seriously, I offered WE an opportunity to make nice with RES in August. The Duke was WE's rep on that. Those efforts failed then. I reopened those talks with Jasche in October. Again, utter failure greeted with both a Consone "request" that RES join them against H? and when refused met with a WE siege of a RES city. It was simply a matter of WE relinquishing about 6 Sovs within 2 sqs of RES cities. And an agreement to not do that again. Rejected with a Siege!
WE has demonstrated that it has NO interest at all in being a peaceful neighbor to RES. Consone (inclusive of VICX and VALAR) has demonstrated that Consone 100% supports WE in that mission.
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Consone neither did nor does support sieges on RES. The few defenses against sieges on WE have to be seen in the light of the conflict against H?, and not as bad will against RES itself.
The offer of joining and the siege were not linked. The first was a simple diplomatic question, the second the act of one single player at one of the wrongest possible times.
Me as a Consone player would be more than happy to see this "sov dispute" resolved.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
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Points: 924 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 02:21 |
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Clarification.
This is not H? vs Consone.
This is Harmless, DLords, Night Crusaders and DARK.
I clarify as the above indicates more a popular consensus as opposed to indicating a personal grievance.
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 03:39 |
Hora wrote:
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Me as a Consone player would be more than happy to see this "sov dispute" resolved.
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No, Hora. This is not a sov dispute. I proved WE's true intents by reducing my offer of peace to nothing more than sov issues. The problem is much larger than that. By rejecting the easiest path to peace, WE proved it has no desire for peace with RES. WE attacking RES in response to my request for peace has become WE's habit. Consone, through many individuals, have been advised of this.
Consone (inclusive of VICX and VALAR) has chosen to protect WE from RES's justified self-defense.
Consone owns WE.
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Mr Damage
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Joined: 01 Jan 2011
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Points: 598 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 05:12 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Clarification.
This is not H? vs Consone.
This is Harmless, DLords, Night Crusaders and DARK.
I clarify as the above indicates more a popular consensus as opposed to indicating a personal grievance.
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As I mentioned to Kumo in GC yesterday, there's a few more than that on Coal's team, pop. wise Coal is about 5mill ahead of us Soup folk. I am not going to debate it, I have seen the battle reports and who is assisting Coal. I don't expect H, as they seem to be the leader/spokesperson of Coal, to agree with me or anyone in Soup on this as we are on opposite sides and that would not be good for the Coal brand. Coal is performing far better and this I expected because there was always a hidden agenda and 1 side was prepared and the other wasn't, I don't begrudge H or Coal one bit for this as you should at all times protect your interests. This thread has already turned into another pointless off-topic argument, can we get back to Scar's point and put up your declarations and get on with the demolition. Good gaming to you all
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hellion19
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Aug 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 310 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 05:35 |
scaramouche wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
If I were you - I would be wondering just why everyone seems to have a special grudge against WE and I'd be looking extra hard at the leadership.
I expect that they will say it's because everyone is a big meanie (or words to that effect) but I would hope some WE folk are smart enough to be wondering about whether the leaders are quite the victims they claim to be.
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TBH... i'm past caring about reasons why other alliances have a grudge against us...they do and no amount of wondering or looking at our leadership is gonna change things.
we so few stand against so many.
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I dunno but that doesn't make a lot of sense... so all these people just have some strange anger towards your guild that apparently has nothing to do with your leadership. Its like you got that H? hatred without the strength or random conspiracy theorists chasing you down claiming your the demonic overlords of all the illyriad world.
Though I would suspect that it likely has a good bit more to do with your failures as leadership. Either your not properly reining in your members when they cause problems or the central leadership is the problem when dealing with others.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
Postmaster
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
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Points: 924 |
Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 07:00 |
Mr Damage wrote:
As I mentioned to Kumo in GC yesterday, there's a few more than that on Coal's team, pop. wise Coal is about 5mill ahead of us Soup folk. |
Im sorry but this is blatantly false.
Please refrain from saying such or provide evidence to support your assertion.
Stating 'Im not going to argue this' does not give you free reign to make unjustified claims implying they have any truth.
Edited by Llyorn Of Jaensch - 06 Dec 2012 at 07:02
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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