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SirVulture 
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Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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 Topic: VALAR seeking terms
Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 18:47 |
ChristinaZah asked for this to be posted on her behalf because she does not have a forums profile.
OPEN REQUEST TO THE LEADERS OF THE 6-ALLIANCE COALITION AT WAR WITH VALAR From what the general buzz of general chat and various forum statements, it seems like at least some of the current 6 alliances waging war with VALAR actually have some specific goals in mind with this war, but those goals have not been made public to the general Valar membership, if they were ever clearly communicated to any of the Valar leaders at all. This is basically an open request for TERMS OF HOSTILITIES CESSATION (and if possible, reasons for why those terms are needed - many Valar members do not actually know what the alleged transgressions even are). There were allegations of "harboring trolls" (please specify names and preferably also brief reasons) and "inappropriate leadership" (please name all those, and also preferably some brief reasons why). If such terms are ever presented officially, if nobody else will do it first, then I will personally present them to the entire alliance (and if not specifically forbidden, to the general public too), so we can have a vote between Valar members on whether to accept those terms wholesale or not (and any people dissatisfied with the end result can just leave). I am sending this section as a message to all 6 alliance leaders and a few of the other more notable people involved. END OF OPEN REQUEST
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 19:03 |
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to bad you are not the guy in charge.
negotiation like those can not be made if not whit the weary Velar leadership.
( in my opinion)
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lorre
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Joined: 29 Jun 2010
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 19:06 |
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atleast its a chance to show our willingness to actually offer peace at terms.
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The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies.
Napoleon Bonaparte
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903 |
Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:17 |
I suggest that leaders avoid posting specific peace terms or demands. Instead, let's start with our common interests. Such as ... people want security, a place for new players to grow, ability to resolve conflicts ... stuff like that.
Let's start by finding the interests that we have in common, then look at the areas of disagreement. Terms can evolve from this discussion. Well done to CristinaZah for coming forward and opening the dialogue.
/me is not pretending to be a leader of anything
/me is just trying to offer some suggestions based on experience resolving conflicts
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396 |
Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:29 |
I need to see Azreal's authorization that Cristina speaks on his behalf. Otherwise, this is just another propaganda stall tactic.
Also, I note the request to rehash the factual underpinnings of this war. There is no further need for that. Now is the time to look to the future, not the past.
Cease-fire has no place in these negotiations. It only allows the weakened party time to regroup and rebuild. Which only prolongs the conflict.
I think this is complete ruse.
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Uno
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Joined: 12 Sep 2011
Location: Torino
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:50 |
TD, you probably didn't read the message with the attention it deserved (yeah, I know, it's safer for the reputation of the aggressors to continue claim that it was Valar to want this war, although it wasn't them to declare). ChristinaZah doesn't look like she is speaking for Azreil or the Valar. She is trying to broker a peace or truce or whatever. In short she says
"tell me your reasons for war since for at least some alliances we don't even know what they are and what would be your terms for ending hostilities, I will present them to the whole alliance -if none else of Valar will- and see what will be the reactions". Note that conditions for cessation of hostilities isn't a cease fire IMHO since cease fire is just an agreement with no conditions other than ... cease fire.
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Eréc of Caer Uisc
King of Dyfneint
Indomiti Alliance
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StJude
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Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:51 |
 SirVulture wrote:
There were allegations of "harboring trolls" (please specify names and preferably also brief reasons) |
I can answer this clearly from one players perspective.
The_Dude named two players in the accusation. Then he proceeded to define trolls as "Troublemakers" which is a pretty broad definition, as his "No Mercy" approach to conflict only adds fuel to the fire and can easily be described as "Troublemaking" But, hey, stones, glass houses.
Anyway, the court is in session, there are the two players he named.
1.) Myself.
2.) ATH
Whether The_Dude intends to speak on behalf of all the coalition of 6 remains to be seen.
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:04 |
I do NOT speak for anyone but me, SJ. There is no "court". You have admitted that you want the freedom to fight any alliance anytime for no reason than your own pleasure. VALAR championed you on that position. That would be the precipitating event (i.e., straw that broke the camel's back) for the current war. That's troublemaker enough in my book. The "no mercy" thing is some fiction you created from whole cloth - a specialty of yours, I have come to learn.
Uno, no serious negotiations ever occur publicly. If there are VALAR members that want out of the war, the first step is the easiest...you will find it on your alliance page, the button is labeled "Quit Alliance". If you are unwilling to quit, then you have chosen to follow your leaders. Which means more blood.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Joined: 31 Mar 2010
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:05 |
Regards Harmless (?).
We're open to
dialogue with ChristinaZah but,
indicative of Valar, disappointed (but not surprised) at the
continued absence of diplomacy from
Azreil and/or Darkone.
Jude: To assist you in your attempt to grasp the concept of 'Trolling';
StJude wrote:
Whether The_Dude intends to speak on behalf of all the coalition of 6 remains to be seen.
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Thats trolling.
Let me know if you require me to cut and paste any more of your quotes if you wish for futher examples. (<--- So's that)
Capiche'? (<----And that)
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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bow locks
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
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Points: 211 |
Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:07 |
I have no authority to speak on behalf of my leadership either.
However, history tells us that leaders act with a mandate from the people, whether that mandate is forced or willingly given is another matter.
If you do not like your leadership there are, in essence, two options;
a) replace them, (remove their mandate)
b) leave. (undermine / reduce their mandate).
if you cant do a) I recommend b)
most other stuff is only fluff.
Bow
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