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faTTyAciD 
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 Quote Reply  Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 02:37 |
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Thank you for adding the Tournament Squares!
Does the 5/10 square territory around each city also pertain to the tournament squares?
In other words, if a city is within the 5 square radius of a tournament square do Illy 'rules' (customs/etiquette) allow for other alliance's armies to camp within the 5 square radius of that city in order to occupy the tournament square?
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| Rill
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 03:40 |
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This is really something that will be determined by the players, faTTy. What I'm going to describe is behavior I've seen or heard about in the past.
In general, I'd say it would be prudent to avoid camping on sovereignty, even if it is close to the tournament square. Of course, if some intrepid alliance claims all the sov within 10 squares of a tournament square, some other people might decide that they don't want to respect that convention.
Usually during tournaments in the past, people have parked armies near tournament squares to gather intelligence (basically if the armies have scouts attached, you can see the general size of the occupation on the square, such as Several or Cornucopia). In the past, some of those armies have been taken out, others have been tolerated. Of course, if the army is NAP or confed with the party that might wish to take it out, the party must evaluate the NAP or confed, or attempt to remove the army using some other method (such as a polite mail).
Just in general, anything within game mechanics is "allowed" in Illyriad. What may be a socially acceptable practice is something that is constantly renegotiated among players. Sometimes the actions of an alliance during a tournament may have repercussions on its reputation for years to come. In general, for example, scouting other players' cities for information on tournament activities is not considered acceptable. (Although there is no reason it shouldn't be except that people just don't like it.)
In sum: We will have to see, although I personally intend to try to behave and encourage others to behave in a way that both promotes fair play and access as well as inventiveness and fun.
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 15:17 |
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This is the answer? To allow a single city to ruin the tournament for everyone else in the region?
This is apparently going to be the case.
So, thanks Devs for the hard work but we won't be allowed to participate.
This is the message I just received about the tournament square in Coanhara.. and my response. I am sure I will receive backlash for this (called a troll or whatever. like in global chat) but I am quite upset about this. What's the point in playing this game if we cant play?
"If you or anyone from your group are wanting to take part in the tournament, I can send invites to RE and you can leave when it is done if you'd like"
and my response. Just so everyone can see what has happened here... I am not trying to bother people, just trying to make that clear. This seems relevant to the forum thread here..
"I really want to be honest with you. I was very excited when the tournament squares were added and I just happened to see them by accident the other day. Why would someone want to ruin the game for everyone else in the region the moment the option becomes available? What is the point of the game.. to ruin it for others? I just don't understand. No thanks for the offer to join Rome when playing.
I guess we just arent allowed to participate in tournaments. It would have been a fun addition to the game but we never even were allowed to play. Thanks a lot" |
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 15:34 |
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I have a solution.
We are interested in running our own tournaments, without using API keys and using our own squares.
If anyone is interested in participating please IGM me.
Thank you.
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 16:02 |
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Perhaps someone from RE will explain their policy towards the tournament square.
Are any other alliances taking the same line as RE? Did other alliances ever treat tournament squares as their claimed territory during the dev-run tournaments? It does seem to rather spoil the fun. |
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| Gragnog
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 16:14 |
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What are you on about? You want a square you fight for it. If you cannot keep it you choose another. Going for a square where other alliance are strong just shows a lack of planning and stratergy. The alliances with millions of troops are going to rule most of the squares anyway no matter where they are. They are already dividing them up amongst themselves. Just watch the top alliances and see who contests squares. The tournament has already been decided.
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 16:47 |
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What am I on about? it seems as though the discussion has lead more towards a philosophical one..
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tournament is a
competition involving a relatively large number of competitors, all participating in a
sport or
game.
A
game is structured form of
play
So my question is, what is the structure of the tournament? Surely, the tournaments rules are not meant to be the same as the rules of Illy warfare, or else it would cease to be a 'tournament'
"Whereas games are often characterized by their tools, they are often defined by their rules."
*edited after- I am starting to understand how these "Tournament" Squares are going to be run here in Illy.. clearly they are not for smaller alliances. it looks as though these "tournaments" are going to have plenty of real illy-world effects. I am guessing that was the purpose behind them..
Its like a big marathon. If you can't get anywhere near the start line at the beginning of the race you have no chance of being competition. In this case, it prevents us from actually competing at all
Edited by faTTyAciD - 13 Apr 2016 at 16:55 |
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 16:53 |
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so, it's down to claiming a TOURNEY SQUARE? .. if it's not in use, doesn't conflict with another in house alliance tourney.. I'd say a Tourney Sq without API keys is just fine. the combat reports speak for themselves. Its a "marked spot" .
I'd say create a calendar type thread. There will be months and months
after an ILLYWIDE tourney that there won't be another KotH type tourney worldwide. Lots of troops used up in ILLYWIDE tournies.
And if smaller alliances feel the competition is too great on a "marked spot" during ILLYWIDE tournies.. I PERSONALLY don't have a problem with them using ANY marked spot for an in-house tourney when the square is not in use.
It sounds quite absurd to think the Dev's put it there for RE's use only. For WoT to say that we
own a Western Realm
Marker (with all the other alliances in the region) and don't even USE it 24/7/365. it's about a marked ILLY spot for tournies... WORLDWIDE and in-house IMO.
SMDH at the thought claiming a tourney marker.
I suppose it's normal to say which squares in ILLYWIDE tournaments to go for, but that doesn't mean you won't have competition for it.
Edited by Diva - 13 Apr 2016 at 17:07 |
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| Rill
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 17:17 |
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I think it's at least possible that RE meant that mail as a friendly invitation. Perhaps it could have been phrased better, but maybe what they meant was "probably as a small alliance, you won't have much chance in this tourney. If you want to have a better chance of holding the square, would you consider joining RE?" I think it's at least possible they didn't mean "stay off this tourney square unless you join us."
Maybe ask for clarification?
Don't assume the worst, I bet they were 1) trying to improve their own chances and 2) trying to improve your chances by suggesting that you join forces. Diplomacy is part of tournaments too, and I did not see in that mail any threat or even an implied threat.
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 17:34 |
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Maybe this discussion about conventions for the current tournament should be its own thread.
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