TIVIUM and EAGLES

oh yeah, well i hear eagles poop in the air, its prob u that did on my windshield and tmv means too much verbage! oh wait thats pigeon poop and ur alliance is tvm....nevermind..may the fight continue on the playing field...good luck to both of yas!

that a declaration of war, serving only to formalise a state of hostility already plainly known by both sides, can provoke this amount of spin...who is it that the respective sides think they're influencing at this late date, i wonder.

Sajreth wrote: So basically in six pages I get this.... the thread started as a war declaration from one alliance whos confed was being militarily harassed by another alliance.

Well, no. Not according to Hathaldir's original post. In his original post he stated the reason was that we attacked their siege. Later he added the Confed loyalty stuff. Later.

Sajreth wrote: in defense I see the following paraphrased of course: "We were in an alliance that was at war, didn't like how it was handled and quit to start up an alliance to avoid hostilities"

We didn't leave to avoid hostilities, we left to avoided certain death (or as you put it, because we didn't like how it was handled.) Have you seen the size of Shade? Our former leader did not seem to care about us, so we left.

Sajreth wrote: "We do not deny being militarily involved in hostilities against an alliance that is confed with the alliance that declared war"

Right. Not denying it now. Never have denied it. Thanks for understanding.

Sajreth wrote: "We feel that we could attack one individual member of an alliance, but since we did not intend to attack other members, we would expect a well established alliance to turn a blind eye on our actions"

Actually, no. I expected Druids to do much more than they did. They did enough, though. We couldn't get the job done on our own. However, they never did declare war against us. Go figure.

Sajreth wrote: What I get out of this as a whole is it's quite a miracle it took this long for someone to declare!

I agree. Based on Hathaldir's statements they should have done so as soon as TVM was founded. We were attacking their Confederate then. It's just that they did not have a vested interest in our actions at the time, whatever that interest is. I can think of no other reason, as all the criteria existing over the last few days existed then.

abstractdream wrote:   We didn't leave to avoid hostilities, we left to avoided certain death (or as you put it, because we didn't like how it was handled.) Have you seen the size of Shade? Our former leader did not seem to care about us, so we left.

deorasandeep wrote: abstractdream wrote: Without declaring war on us you attacked our siege on a VALAR city, one of your Confederates. In my opinion, doing that without a declaration was fine. Siege breaking is a time honored tradition here in Illyriad. It was annoying to loose thirty thousand plus troops AFTER the city fell but we don't feel ONLY attacking armies in the field is an act of war. Guess we were wrong. without declaring a war you went to sieze a valar city and expect others to declare war first  Just wanted to know why sieze a VALAR  city in  between war   under what circumstances did you think that fit.  and the after that you deemed fit to declare war on VALAR

No. We declared war on VALAR before the siege.

You are another of the uninformed, seeing what you wish, asking no real questions, judging from afar. If you don't care to look at the whole picture, you are blind to the truth.