 SunStorm wrote:
In that sense, this might have been stopped had Consone furnished a policy in which diplomatic channels would always precede attacking a 3rd party who is in negotiations with someone else. |
This summary doesn't include SkB's perspective on the "negotiations". Is that fair?
The bigger point is:
What I hear you saying is that if any confederate of any member of Consone feels that negotiations are not working out and calls on said member of Consone for help that Consone member should try to restart negotiations per Consone rules (laws?). Also, Consone should do likewise before assisting a Consone member from attacks. Is that true and fair? You also believe that before H? attacked Absa and Consone, it too should have tried to restart negotiations. Is that also correct? Do you think H? attacked Absa when the active members attacked or when members left to join RHY to attack Absa? Are those members welcome back into H?
I think Absa did mess this up. I think Consone messed up and I think H? has messed up. I think Neytiri messed up and Messer and Hugie but so too did Dave888 and lots of members of RHY. I think SkB messed up. I know I've said lot's of things that I think are a mess and I'll probably be attacked at some point because of them (I'm on that list, right). Russian Blue messed up too, she trusted the wrong people, so too did Zebazga, Skim Milk, Snapdragon, Calisi.
It's a leap to justify an action because the target isn't flawless.
An alliance or confederation is only as good and just as it's members. If an alliance or confederation has secret members or members that can leave and do as they like and return, what is the point of alliance rules?
We can talk about rules, but does H? have rules. I was curious after all your posts and I looked for them. How many people reading your posts have read the Diplomacy section of H?s alliance page? It has things that may be rules, but nothing they would go on record stating is actually a rule. If something stated actually is a rule, the document goes on to state there may or may not be a repercussion for that rule. Furthermore, those repercussion are at the discretion of H? #1 alliance, no rules. That's a precedent. According to the posts you've made, not a good one. Essentially, no promises given, no quarter asked, no quarter received. That would be easier to write.
You state your frustration because you see the good in Consone. What is that good? Is there good in H? Do you feel as KP does that Consone is composed of anti-H players? Is it most members in Consone or just a core. Will you please tell the poor manipulated masses in Consone who those players are and if they are in Absa?
Speaking of KP, I read his post in response to your praise. I read 9 paragraphs vaguely discussing the history of Illy and the genesis of the current situation is summed up with "they acted like ass holes". Superficially, it seems insightful, but then I thought about what it said and it wasn't really insightful. Why is it that H? members will not examine the details of the genesis of the current conflict?
RHY was negotiating (if you don't shed more light on the meaning and context of this word in this part of the conflict then this isn't really meant to be a fair discussion) and Messer sent troops, and told RHY troops were coming (is this agreed on), RHY left the troops there because Messer had no right to do that. It all went from there because Absa wouldn't negotiate. It seems to be a big deal that Messer wasn't in SkB. It seems to be a big deal that Messer and the big guys in Consone did not transfer to SkB like Phym did before sending troops. Is that Absa and Consone's biggest mistake?
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