This ****ing war

Kumomoto wrote: Not to contradict you, Deranzin, but even if Consone had some sort of singular leadership, or if they delegated such, they would be still disfunctional. The bottom line is that this group of alliance leaders that started Soup to dominate the server are either leaving, were not included in the initial conversations (and therefore rightfully indignant), or are trying to continue to hold the wool over their members' eyes....

IMHO best and most honest post so far in these war forums.  +1

Ander wrote: KillerPoodle wrote: Grego wrote: Let me remind you what was our bullying: one player sent army to allied mine two squares from allied city, and announced it five days before arrival. Occupant broke agreement and didn't withdraw on time. Apart that mine square there was no hostility from our side against anyone, military or diplo. You persist in looking only at the single straw that finally ended the camel without considering the many bales loaded previously.  Maybe you should try to widen your viewpoint. KP, you say that it is not about the trove mine incident with RHY. Sure, I have no doubts about that.  I have asked again and again, to tell me of at least one incidence where Absa bullied anybody.  Kumomoto wrote: And the problem was, when people tried to deal with these folks, they got the response: "we are part of Consone, you'd better do it, or else...".  Tell me of one instance where Absa used the weight of Consone in our negotiations. Kumomoto wrote: The Coalition will never negotiate in these Forums. Ever. So stop trying. I post in the forum not to negotiate with Coalition. I post in the forum to reply to the lies that are thrown at Absa.  I don't expect to win this war. But i f I don't fight against this lies, what do I ever fight against Kumomoto?

Absa has defended WE which makes Absa equally responsible for the crimes of WE.  WE bullied RES for over a year.   Therefore, Absa are bullies the same as WE.  This holds for VIC and VALAR, too.  You are responsible for your Confeds just as if they are your alliance - especially when you choose to defend your Confeds against just retaliation.

/me harvests some Irony and crafts myself an Ironic Sword.

Edited by bansisdead - 14 Feb 2013 at 19:51

+1 TD

Even in real life you are judged by who you associate with.

Also seriously no one can say they didn't know unless you under a rock.  I mean everyone has friends in other alliances and people talk it is how the world of illy goes.

I am sorry if my friend ( or confed in this case) was doing something against my beliefs and morals how long do you think that stay a close friend ( or confed).

I stand up to and question my friends when they do something wrong... I also would smack the  you know what out of them if i thought a good beating would get through to them.  ( sometimes it does work)

Maybe the people in Consone need to worry about fixing their own alliance and finding what out truly matters to those in the said alliance.   Also if they have the same beliefs and morals etc as the others in there Consone group. 

To be honest I am super surprised to see some of the alliances that are involved with Consone they are defending the same behavior they are so against. 

I personally hate to see some of the hateful and disgusting name calling going on.. but it is war. So i take it with a grain of salt.  Also this is a game and I know that i can rebuild.. I am not one to rage quit over stuff like this, or almost blow a gasket cause someone doesn't like something i say.

My views on people have changed from the war and not for the better for some.  Others have surprised me and i hold in higher esteem.

So every one think of a confed as a real life person.. would you stand by the person?  a confed is an extension of your alliance. 

My alliance is my family... our confeds are the close friends and our naps are the people we associate with.

So in my world ( real life) my family and those i consider my close friends i will defend at any cost.
Everyone else is neutral.

maybe if everyone else took confeds that seriously we would not have the mess we have now.

+1 tansi