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Gemley 
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 Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 03:25 |
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I also find it strange that dwarves don't do the best in mountains
Edited by Gemley - 11 Apr 2012 at 03:26
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�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien
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Silent/Steadfast
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 04:59 |
I have a problem with "Do best." There are two distinct types of combat: offense and defense. These should not be confused.
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Brids17
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 05:25 |
 Createure wrote:
This point has come up countless times... and it isn't likely to change I think. |
Maybe if we hound the devs for long enough they're finally say something along the lines of "Ok, ok, it isn't fair some races are imbalanced, we'll fix it all".
Createure wrote:
Love Illy for what it is... not what it isn't. There are plenty of LoTR games and imitations around already.  |
Kind of a silly thing to say tbh. The whole point of the suggestion forum is to suggest things to better the game. I'm pretty sure I recall you making threads in the suggestion forum as well, so it kind of contradicts your point further. Also, the dwarves = mountains, elves = forests thing had been been around since the creation of dwarves and elves. If they wanted to change it they should have made their own fantasy races, rather than modifying what it already practically set in stone.
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lokifeyson
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 08:53 |
well in Helmsdeep battle it was small amount of elves and they did pretty good in the mountain fortress...
idk, its all physics and physics beats fantasy
eragon had a good dwarf battle in mountain and they basically lost to....so maybe mountain not as good as it seems? and both times it was a very large orc army lol with very large orcs
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surferdude
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 08:57 |
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Not sure I understand:
Elves are the best archers in the forest - because they are the best archers.
Dwarves are the best infantry on the hills - because they are the best infantry.
They already are the best of their types where you think they would be the best of their types...
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 14:07 |
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This has come up time and again, and the more I think about it the more I agree with the devs that for any sensibility whatsoever it must be the way it is.
We just need to let go of our presumptuous notion that these creatively imagined races must be most militarily adept on their home turf--else Elves would either live on high ground or not be skilled archers. And if you think about it, being the most militarily suited to one's home terrain is not necessarily a logical requirement. I can think of a few certain nations today that have massively more experience and developed talent with fighting in foreign climates and terrain than local. I don't recall History's most adept navies coming from races/nations that live on water either.
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Ander
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 16:28 |
Acromir wrote:
Elves ... In forests, they can move quickly and silently, ambushing and destroying noisy humans/orcs/dwarves. ....
Elves should thrive in the forest.
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Noisy humans/orcs/dwarves start a fire in the elves' forest!
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Acromir
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 18:47 |
HonoredMule wrote:
This has come up time and again, and the more I think about it the more I agree with the devs that for any sensibility whatsoever it must be the way it is.
We just need to let go of our presumptuous notion that these creatively imagined races must be most militarily adept on their home turf--else Elves would either live on high ground or not be skilled archers. And if you think about it, being the most militarily suited to one's home terrain is not necessarily a logical requirement. I can think of a few certain nations today that have massively more experience and developed talent with fighting in foreign climates and terrain than local. I don't recall History's most adept navies coming from races/nations that live on water either. |
In thinking about it, I can understand your argument about elves. Mountains and hills really do aid archers. However, I still assert that dwarves are by far the best in a mountain fortress. If nothing else, look at height. Dwarves are shorter than the other races (though bulky and strong). They could make tunnels with a five-foot ceiling, and move comfortably. Humans, orcs, and elves would be at a large disadvantage, as they'd be trying to fight while crouching or stooping.
Also, it's well-established that dwarves are extremely good at mining, tunneling, and building with stone. It stands to reason that their fortresses would be significantly better.
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 19:00 |
I think most naval powers have had significant coastal regions, Great Britain being perhaps the prime example -- it is probably not entirely coincidental that it's an island. In contrast, Russia and the USSR were not necessarily renowned for their navies.
In the ancient world, Athens was a coastal city state protected by the "wooden walls" of its Navy against superior land power of Persia.
But I am not a student of military history.
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Nokigon
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Player Council - Historian
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Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 19:27 |
HonoredMule wrote:
I don't recall History's most adept navies coming from races/nations that live on water either. |
Without wishing to turn this into a historical debate, a few words. Great Britain. Island. Trafalgar.
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