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Garth
Forum Warrior
Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Status: Offline Points: 249 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:42 |
Subatoi wrote:
Well to be honest I was thinking about a new one after page two but decided to wait a little bit for more history to accumulate that way it could actually be updated..
Also Ryelle or Rill sparked it intially.
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C'mon, man. Seriously? You can't let it go without taking a dig at her, can you?
The post she replied to essentially stated that her "type of player/playing style" is *against* "self-sufficiency and freedom of choice." I'm pretty sure anyone who reads Abstract Dream's post would come to the same conclusion; that's the "philosophical divide" he clearly puts forward. (though admittedly fairly well-stated, as is Abstract Dream's tendency) I understand her taking umbrage at that, especially considering your history of anti-Hugs sentiment. Anyone with a fleeting familiarity could read between the lines.. People without that familiarity, of course, might not quite understand the context.
As for the philosphical divide: if I invent a dichotomy; and I base a major post in a recruitment thread on it (especially when it's not even the lead post) you are welcome to respond and point out where you think my ideas fall short (and I'm pretty sure you would, my friend!).. Otherwise, why would I be posting on the Forums?
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 23:03 |
Taking a dig at her?
By pointing at who jumped at TLR's philosophy is taking a dig at her?
I'd be taking a dig at her if i said "you suck" etc etc, I merely pointed out that this turned from a recruitment thread into a de-railed debating thread at a post that started with rill.
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Garth
Forum Warrior
Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Status: Offline Points: 249 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 00:58 |
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Sure, I admit it was unneeded to make the "dig" statement. My apologies.
However, the whole point of my post was that no one ever jumped at "your philosophy." Rather, it's the "philosophical divide" concept that suggests that the "non-TLR" philosophy creates dependent, non-free players . It's my impression that Rill, among many others, are at the top of your list of people who embody what you perceive to be the non-TLR approach. Ergo, Rill's approach creates dependent, non-free players.
If I made a post criticizing your approach, you'd be within your rights to clarify and stand up for yourself as well as your approach. And I wouldn't accuse you of derailing the thread.
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 01:42 |
While true,
This was a recruitment thread which has been turned into a debating thread about a few words and phrases that were used in our recruitment speech, I believe some may say "I find the point you raise interesting, please start a new topic so that we may continue this discussion and leave this thread on it's original topic pathway".
That wasn't said of course but I feel now that to limit the need to start a new TLR thread it should have been said.
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Status: Offline Points: 437 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:04 |
Garth, since a majority of the players do not watch chat 24/7 if you bring a conversation from AC into the forums and stick it in a post without explaining the history then people will not understand the circumstances and that would be the posters fault, not the readers. The conversations you mention may or may not have happened in AC when you say they happened, I don't know. All I know for sure is what was written here looks like she just came in to stir things up.
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Status: Offline Points: 437 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:12 |
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I would also like to point out that my frequent vans to newbs also puts me at odds with EF's philosophy. I do not feel that this recruitment post was a stab at how I like to do things, instead I read it as TLR making sure their recruits don't expect what many other alliances are offering.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:21 |
I responded to a post around an hour after it was made because I felt it unfairly targeted Ryelle's alliance (the references to hugs, etc.)
Myr responded after the last post had been made more than a month and a half previously.
Who is really trying to stir things up?
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Garth
Forum Warrior
Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Status: Offline Points: 249 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:38 |
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Points well taken, Myr. I suppose those of us who have at times taken the brunt of the needling and condemnation are quicker to roll our eyes and say "Here we go again..." And many of my comments are probably understood better by the people for whom they're intended than the casual observer. Certainly, providing all the backstory here would bore the pants off of most people, on top of the obvious thread-derailment.
If any player in the game cares enough about the "philosophical divide" to discuss it, I will gladly join in a respectful debate. Otherwise, I will do my best to ignore any insinuation that those of us who are warm and send welcome gifts are against self-sufficiency and freedom of choice.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: Oarnamly Status: Offline Points: 1857 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 03:53 |
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In all honesty, the sentences in question were an attempt to make
not sending resources to newbs look better than it sounds. Really, on the surface of it, what newb would want to join an alliance "known" for not sending res to its members?
The post was slanted against the practice of indiscriminate care-a-vaning and took an overt swipe at the hug set in general. Not that it matters now, but there was no intended venom in the statement. My intention was to have a harmless dig at the "loyal opposition." I've come to understand that thin skin prevails in Illy and everything will eventually be torn apart and examined under the microscope of PCness. With hindsight it's no surprise what ended up happening, however I personally am not upset at the outcome.
The previous posts may have technically derailed this recruitment thread but imnsho it has become one of the most entertaining threads in the Forums.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 04:53 |
abstractdream wrote:
In all honesty, the sentences in question were an attempt to make not sending resources to newbs look better than it sounds. Really, on the surface of it, what newb would want to join an alliance "known" for not sending res to its members?
The post was slanted against the practice of indiscriminate care-a-vaning and took an overt swipe at the hug set in general. Not that it matters now, but there was no intended venom in the statement. My intention was to have a harmless dig at the "loyal opposition." I've come to understand that thin skin prevails in Illy and everything will eventually be torn apart and examined under the microscope of PCness. With hindsight it's no surprise what ended up happening, however I personally am not upset at the outcome.
The previous posts may have technically derailed this recruitment thread but imnsho it has become one of the most entertaining threads in the Forums. |
Taking overt swipes at people in the TLR recruitment thread resulted in people at whom swipes were taken expressing their objections. I appreciate you acknowledging that such was indeed your intention, and I'm glad you're not upset about the result. Very fair-minded of you, and I applaud it.
Perhaps the OP could request that this thread be moved to a different forum and restart a different alliance recruitment thread, if that is in fact what the OP would prefer.
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