StA lays claim to Farra Isla

It's mostly to protect the identity of the other player and alliance since it was resolved during a few days when I hadn't logged on, with Chaos planning to exodus away. If you'd like to know more send me a message or send a message to Chaos so I don't have to name that person and alliance that do not deserve public naming for what's now a settled mistake despite evicting someone from claimed territory. I also offered to buy the square or area, or even to have a tournament over it. All that said, it's not really a sore point for me and I'm not terribly upset, though Chaos would still like the square and as I said before I would like to go back to the immigration standards for lack of better words outlined in the OP if Chaos can keep his spot, thus removing the hypothetical double standard just as allowing the reinforced claim of Farra would have removed the other short side of the stick so to speak. The main issue was the very second I announced a new policy in territory we have a presence in already and desire to hold, which would allow us to enforce something similar to what Chaos is being put through, hints of possible future violence began to occur.

EDIT: Due to advice from a wise person to stay off the forums until a few more interested parties contact me, I'll probably refrain from responding any more. I hope though that people now see the point of reinforcing the claim on Farra.


Edited by Duuvian - 10 Feb 2012 at 07:08

SugarFree wrote:   Nokigon wrote:   Name three.   Curse, BSH, DLords, the Colony, Free ... this is just from what i see on world map.. i could go on..

SugarFree wrote: Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Duuvian wrote: Existing players inhabiting Farra who desire to settle a new city there,  I ask that you confer with the nearest StA member to the new city's location to see if they had any plans for the square and barring them having plans for a city there we should be able to accommodate you. No. I do not need, nor will, ask permission from any Sta member as that implies Sta ownership. You cannot give what is not yours in the first place. full of yourself as always hu?  you are a disgrace to H?.

*Sigh* What pathetic reincarnation of a previous troll are you SF?

The arrogance actually lies with Sta claiming ownership. Not mine for requesting basic entitlement to settle in a region without first being granted permission.

*accurate description of a failure to logic removed as deemed insulting by moderators*


Edited by Llyorn Of Jaensch - 10 Feb 2012 at 16:31

Dear StA,

Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Duuvian wrote: Existing players inhabiting Farra who desire to settle a new city there,  I ask that you confer with the nearest StA member to the new city's location to see if they had any plans for the square and barring them having plans for a city there we should be able to accommodate you. No. I do not need, nor will, ask permission from any Sta member as that implies Sta ownership. You cannot give what is not yours in the first place.

I think the term "ownership" is misunderstood here Llyorn - "home" or "place of belonging" would fit just as well, and I am surprised that you- or H? for that matter would object to people asking for a little personal space in terms of alliance location.
But ok Llyorn we differ in opinion on this matter, not a big problem. I believe the quality of Illy is increased when players have an area to call "homebase" or what have you, as it gives them purpose direction and unity they could not attain otherwise imo. So I am puzzled why you would be against it?

Lastly though I have to say that while asking permission and being diplomatic can be percieved as similar they do not have to be. If you ask that people are reasonable when colonising close to H? you would assume H? members would extend the same courtesy to others no?

There is nothing confrontational intended with this post, but sooner or later Illy have to make some kind of policy about alliances and claims to local sovereignty so that we all know where we stand.
Personally I see the scattered alliances as having a flaw in leadership as it is a painful but ultimately very beneficial excercise to ask your members to move their cities into the same area, as it increases the experience/sense of being "allied" with someone and adds value to the game itself that there in the great chaotic mix of cities is some tendency towards a structure and meaningfullness.

Otherwise alliances will only orbit around the purpose of growing bigger, and thats a very 2-dimensional gameworld.

No offense intended to anyone, just felt it had to be said eventually.

And please stop giving StA grief over their hard work and team effort to carve out a place for themselves in Illy - most alliances have no idea of how taxing it can be on an alliance and it's members.

Peace