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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 00:05
Had an idea:

Maybe the problem with orcs isnt that they are too weak, merely the place their combat strength has been placed.

This ultimately boils down to a discussion of how you picture an orc. Like an ironclad defender who carefully dons his armor before combat, or simply a creature who (shortly after leaving the womb) readily uproots the nearest tree, kills a cow and makes a loincloth and stands ready for battle.

What if you made the fangs a lot faster and a little stronger but made sacrifices in their defense - that would make it more orcish in my mind - shock and awe agressive tactics.

But I have little knowledge about this other than in theory, and would like to hear what others think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 00:35
I always thought of orcs as being warlike but not necessarily effective fighters.  They're brutes, with their strength in physical stature and numbers.  I would expect a single skilled human warrior to beat a single orc.  It is the horde that makes them formidable.

However I do agree that thinking of orcs as a defensive race is strange.  Dwarves should have the strong spearmen, and orcs the infantry specialization.  I know that still doesn't make much sense at a low level, because we think of dwarves as axemen/warriors and not spear-bearers.  But at a more abastract level, they do make better defenders than attackers since they cannot run quickly but are solidly built and can more easily take cover.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 07:21
According descriptions Orcs seem to be all around good attackers in illyriad Best in spear, second in ranged, second in infantry,  third in cavalry but almost as good as elves only elven t1 is 2 points better than orc T1. T2 cavalry is the same with elves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 15:03
Originally posted by Thexion Thexion wrote:

According descriptions Orcs seem to be all around good attackers in illyriad Best in spear, second in ranged, second in infantry,  third in cavalry but almost as good as elves only elven t1 is 2 points better than orc T1. T2 cavalry is the same with elves.
 
Which, in combination with their ability to most rapidly build the largest defensive armies makes me believe that the Devs probably aren't very far off in terms of game balance...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 22:56
Kumomoto, orcs can't rapidly build a large defensive army. Quite the opposite. If an orc army entirely consists of spearmen then they are very obviously the slowest race to build their army. Elves can build up their defensive army the quickest and cheaply, not really how most people imagine  it should work.
 
It'd be hard to balance out but it would be cool if orcs were badly nerfed but took less than half the time to build. However this would be almost impossible to balance as players would just have a standing army in one account and have the fast buildning orc barracks in another.
 
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