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Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

I don't feel fairly represented by this data.  Who is collecting battle reports for Consone so that I can send them along and be more accurately portrayed?
Lol... yes, your presence in those 1k battle reports is very small compared to top casualties guy: http://i47.tinypic.com/jslezm.png

I suggest to make print screens of all your armies in all towns and send them to me and you can also create scout reports from all your towns and also all other towns from your alliance and forward them to me... and don't worry i will take care for your correct representation on Consone forum.  Big smile

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Oh - I see - these were combat reports from attacks by The Coalition on Soup sieges and the basic combat report for that does not list out the defenders city of origin.

I believe the XML does if you had people submit that.

BTW - you didn't respond to my point about players from -FF-  => EE  (or -CE- => -EE- for that matter). You should also look at the two Soup alliances which disbanded in Oct and where they went.

Finally - comparing Sept 30th to now also shows significant differences to the data you posted.

I think if you add up all those moves things suddenly don't look quite so rosy for the Soupers.
No I am generating that from xml files and there are also defender towns and everything listed. Just no one from Consone was interested in Consone towns armies participated in war so I didn't made that output...

Concerning ~FF~ i think it was training alliance. I don't think H? or anyone else would attack them and also there was no attack from them or against them so ~FF~ players or towns where "out of war" but if some of them joined EE they are now "in war"... 

But you are correct that if I wrote that based on towns and pop. table Consone has now 1.6 mil bigger pop. compared to 22. Sep it is not true... it should be (VIC + EE + WE + Absa + Druid + Roads + VALAR + VICX + Frost + Sages) have...

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Vicx is not part of Consone. So putting it inside your table "Consone" would be wrong. Vicx is in the war because they are allied with Vic.
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Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:


No I am generating that from xml files and there are also defender towns and everything listed. Just no one from Consone was interested in Consone towns armies participated in war so I didn't made that output...

Ahhahahahh "really minister ??" [/Sir Appleby trollface]

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  
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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  

The only use in looking at casualties is to gauge how much troops the rival camps currently have. If they have suffered heavy casualties in a region, they may have less troops there.

You don't need to look at battle reports to know much army you are left with. You can get accurate data on your standing troops. The data about your casualties is of use only to your rivals.

What is really funny is you understand this as much as anyone else, but still keeps arguing for the sake of argument.


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You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful for analyzing the effectiveness of yor own and the enemy's tactics and strategies, enabling wise leaders to adjust their behavior for better results...
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Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  

The only use in looking at casualties is to gauge how much troops the rival camps currently have. If they have suffered heavy casualties in a region, they may have less troops there.

You don't need to look at battle reports to know much army you are left with. You can get accurate data on your standing troops. The data about your casualties is of use only to your rivals.

What is really funny is you understand this as much as anyone else, but still keeps arguing for the sake of argument.



Military schools all over the world should learn of that last development in military reasoning, asap ...  LOL

Look, I would really appreciate if Mogul just told me "pal, that is our info, why should we go public with it and give you free intel on our side ? We have it, but we won't share it, end of story" ... that would have been reasonable and, frankly, applaudable as far as I am concerned ... 

But telling us that you do not have said info and that you find it redundunt and useless .?. This is really beyond belief ... honestly I cannot think of anyone organising himself for any sort of competition (be that an illy war or even a soccer match or a poker game) where he would care only for intel on the opponents and would disregard a deep and thorough knowledge of HIS OWN STRENGTHS and abilities !!! 

Sun Tzu is rolling in his grave man ... seriously ...  Tongue

So you people are either being dishonest on not having that info or you really do not have it, in which case we can all have a good laugh at that idea ...  LOL ... frankly though I feel oblidged give you people some credit for common sense, ergo I cannot believe that within the whole of Consone noone thought of this thing out ... but if you insist on labeling yourselves utterly unreasonable, hey, why should I argue about it .?.  LOL


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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful ...

Could be Kumo, this is my first war. I will request Mogul to not give out the H coalition casualties then Ouch 

Though I have no doubt H has their own means to get any and all useful data they need. HonoredMule is no common CTO! 
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Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful ...

Could be Kumo, this is my first war. I will request Mogul to not give out the H coalition casualties then Ouch 

A bit late for that ...  Wink
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Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:


Concerning ~FF~ i think it was training alliance. I don't think H? or anyone else would attack them and also there was no attack from them or against them so ~FF~ players or towns where "out of war" but if some of them joined EE they are now "in war"... 

But you are correct that if I wrote that based on towns and pop. table Consone has now 1.6 mil bigger pop. compared to 22. Sep it is not true... it should be (VIC + EE + WE + Absa + Druid + Roads + VALAR + VICX + Frost + Sages) have...



If 95% of an alliances population suddenly moves over to the parent as soon as a war is declared then for me that totally breaks the definition of a training alliance.  It's basically a 2nd wing hiding under the "training alliance" umbrella ready to drop it's pretense and become a fighting alliance as soon as things heat up.

So - again - if you follow the strict designation of who was actually listed as a Consone alliance then the numbers say one thing.  If you look at who was really allied with them from the beginning then you get something completely different.

Using your argument I can say that the original coalition was only RHY and H?  and thus the numbers for The Coalition have grown immensely due to the addition of millions of pop from dlords, NC and Dark joining.
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Consone isn't the only one with cool tables of war statistics.
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