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Points: 1857 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 10:13
Originally posted by invictusa invictusa wrote:

Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:

invictusa: I'm not sure what that last paragraph means. Can you elaborate?
I mean when you hear the first 13 seconds of strawberry fields forever and you have no idea what its about.  
But then you realize that something very definitive that comes into play and understand that nothing is real but always know some times think its me.  

It's actually at the 1:00 point when everything changes, but if you aren't aware of it, you might miss it. 
Everyone listen closely...
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Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:

It's actually at the 1:00 point when everything changes, but if you aren't aware of it, you might miss it. 
Everyone listen closely...
I didnt miss it.  I was just illustrating the warning signs of it that came at 13 seconds.  Furthermore, it seems that all strawberry fields in question have been named (Edit: In some way or another) as being viable culprits by the end of the track.  



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...and miles to go before I sleep.
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Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:

things got messy.
Yeah well...some things never change G0ds LOL
 
btw did Taron like my vid?
 
Best thing for Aesir to do is to pull back. If they win which is by no means certain ( they are such a disorganised crew) most community members are going to see Aesir as doing the Snuggle bunnies work for them...
 
Think of that G0ds. " Aesir " a snugglebunnies alliance.  Where did it all go wrong?
 
If Aesir had any shred of cred they would have confederated with TLR a long time ago because the outlook of the two allainces is or maybe was very similar.
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Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:

things got messy.
Yeah well...some things never change G0ds LOL
 
btw did Taron like my vid?
 
Best thing for Aesir to do is to pull back. If they win which is by no means certain ( they are such a disorganised crew) most community members are going to see Aesir as doing the Snuggle bunnies work for them...
 
Think of that G0ds. " Aesir " a snugglebunnies alliance.  Where did it all go wrong?
 
If Aesir had any shred of cred they would have confederated with TLR a long time ago because the outlook of the two allainces is or maybe was very similar.


 
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Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:

Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:

things got messy.
Yeah well...some things never change G0ds LOL
 
btw did Taron like my vid?
 
Best thing for Aesir to do is to pull back. If they win which is by no means certain ( they are such a disorganised crew) most community members are going to see Aesir as doing the Snuggle bunnies work for them...
 
Think of that G0ds. " Aesir " a snugglebunnies alliance.  Where did it all go wrong?
 
If Aesir had any shred of cred they would have confederated with TLR a long time ago because the outlook of the two allainces is or maybe was very similar.


 


Just to point something out here, if two alliances did happen to share the same outlook, and share proximate territory, it's just as sensible and likely that they would oppose one another as competitors...
"War is the father of all things..."
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Personally, I find it interesting that certain individuals are appealing to the "Global Police" and "GC Crusaders" who so cramp their style of play in their hour of need. 
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Originally posted by Spheniscidae Spheniscidae wrote:

Personally, I find it interesting that certain individuals are appealing to the "Global Police" and "GC Crusaders" who so cramp their style of play in their hour of need. 


Irony is often lost on a person when the shoe is on the other foot...
Suppose they gave a war and nobody came?
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Well, those pondering the cause of the war as being a strategic land grab I think are barking up the wrong tree.  (at least I do hope so, as my alt and I likely control more of the strategic areas around TLR in Ursor than TLR does . . .).  A certainly more plausible reason as partially stated by AEsir, is that actions of TLR's leader finally amounted to the "straw that broke the camel's back".  EF certainly manages to generate controversy and angst in GC and in some of the actions that TLR takes ( lest we forget their mini war against those who left TLR and dared try to recruit people?).

I at one point considered splitting off of nCrow to form a mini 2 account alliance with my alt to deal with EF's GC statements below (these are GC quotes, not personal mail and are fair game for posting), figuring Mona/Le Roux v. TLR was about an equal fight, although I think it would have been a very short war.

[03:47]<Eternal Fire> TLR could eliminate roux if we were so inclined

[03:48]<Eternal Fire> She is but a mere speck of dust clouding our vision of unifying Ursor under Reaver rule.

[03:53]<Eternal Fire> I called her un-important in TLR eyes

[03:53]<Eternal Fire> Her settlements mean nothing, they do not prohibit our colonization


In the end, I figured the GC rantings were just bluster, and the error of the master did not warrant scorching the earth of his hapless minions,  but the siege engines were all loaded and very nearly were released.  In the end, I eventually arrived at a peaceable understanding of EF.  A delicate tolerance perhaps.  I do understand how perhaps some with less patience than I could be pushed over the edge. 

I also find it fairly hard to paint anyone as an innocent victim.  People do have free will, and there is a certain level of guilt by association in Illy, if you know the views and personality of your leader, and chose to remain, it is not unreasonable to get painted with the same brush.  

I do see the wisdom of the eloquent Orcish poster here...

 " Rorgash stands and Bellows towards the crowd of weak crying little girls!!

If you care, send your armies against the side you dont agree with you worthless cur's or shut your mouth you weak sorry excuse for a ruler"

At least at this point, I have no issue with either side and welcome a bit of activity in Illy...  makes for more interesting reading ...

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Enough has been said and discussed about Aesir and the ongoing war. People have been quick to jump to conclusions or rally against a point repeatedly ad nauseum. This will be the only declaration on our thoughts and what we stand for.

Aesir have always and will always stand for the down-trodden and as a pillar for justice for the weak. Wars are fought for ideals and beliefs. It is easy to start or join a war if you are sure that you would win it but it is harder to fight for a belief knowing victory or defeat is but one step in a longer battle.

We have heard many say in the last few days that Aesir is picking on a small alliance and is annihilating alliances and is taking out personal vendetta. It heartens me to see that the Illy community is still guardians of honor and tradition, while protecting one and all.

Annihilating an alliance – it is a funny phrase. This war is not fought to destroy TLR or annihilate it as some have put it. If so, all people involved in this war would have been fair target. Also, let us see what annihilation of an alliance is. In our humble opinion, the most important factor to an alliance is growth (rank, population etc.), land (your state of operations), wealth (gold and prestige) and ability to attract more prospects. Looking at terms of surrender of TRO, the population check clauses, restraining orders on locations, prestige surrendering all might be ‘fair’ in a war as some might say, but think of TRO as an alliance, is this not annihilation of an alliance ? Who would join them now? Defeat your opponents in war... but be fair and just in Victory… humiliation or total destruction of an alliance serves no one. Aesir feel if they do not stand up now to stop this process, we cannot live with our own ideals. We might not win the war but at least all the alliances out there, small or large would know there are still people ready to fight to defend an alliance’s basic rights.

Last but not least, we have heard people say, it is unfair that a big alliance went after a small alliance. Please do not kid yourselves – in a war there will always be one big and one small alliance. Unless we ensure that wars are fought only amongst equals – then it’s a tournament for entertainment not for ideals or beliefs. What we believe in – we stand up for it. We might be struck down but that does not take away our beliefs or what we stood for.

We believe that we are still guardians of this proud society and defenders of the weak. But now we believe that we are also the voice of a few who need to be heard.
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Points: 464 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 16:06
Heres the deal - TRO made a peace treaty. They didnt ask for outside help. They came to terms. Why let them get beaten and then declare war cause you dont like the agreement that your alliance wasnt even involved in. TLR acted in defense due to a squabble in GC. EF imo is a terrible leader- but to claim your "crusade" is just is hypocrisy at its finest. 
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