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Quackers 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
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Points: 435 |
 Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 01:47 |
 Brids17 wrote:
If Æsir loses, I wonder if they'll be given the same peace treaty terms TRO was given... |
Guess since they started this war no one will back them up when it comes to the terms. They will be forced to give medals or be razed off the game. Then demanding medals for a peace treaty will become normal. If only someone would stop this..oh wait they would just be attacked for fighting newbs. When will this ever end!
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Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so you will not be dependent on anybody.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
Status: Offline
Points: 1857 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:00 |
Finrod wrote:
(...Seriously. I mean, trade v2, harvesting, and crafting are about to come out! Wouldn't you rather be focused on that!?)
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YES.
Until yesterday, I was. Maybe shortly I can again.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
Status: Offline
Points: 1857 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:03 |
Quackers wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
If Æsir loses, I wonder if they'll be given the same peace treaty terms TRO was given... |
Guess since they started this war no one will back them up when it comes to the terms. They will be forced to give medals or be razed off the game. Then demanding medals for a peace treaty will become normal. If only someone would stop this..oh wait they would just be attacked for fighting newbs. When will this ever end!
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Your circular arguments hold no water: TLR
has not received any medals, clearly
will not receive any and at this point would live up to the inflammatory rhetoric if it chose to pursue such a term again.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Quackers
Forum Warrior
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
Status: Offline
Points: 435 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:16 |
abstractdream wrote:
Quackers wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
If Æsir loses, I wonder if they'll be given the same peace treaty terms TRO was given... |
Guess since they started this war no one will back them up when it comes to the terms. They will be forced to give medals or be razed off the game. Then demanding medals for a peace treaty will become normal. If only someone would stop this..oh wait they would just be attacked for fighting newbs. When will this ever end!
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Your circular arguments hold no water: TLR
has not received any medals, clearly
will not receive any and at this point would live up to the inflammatory rhetoric if it chose to pursue such a term again.
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You need to relax. Your blowing what I said out of the water. I just find all this stupid and I'm a bit concerned for the outcome of this mess. Ya'll are way to hot headed over this. Specially the people on TLR side.
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Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so you will not be dependent on anybody.
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Taron
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Location: Hell Wisconsin
Status: Offline
Points: 81 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:20 |
Aurordan wrote:
Taron wrote:
So this is what has happened, we are supporting a cause we believe to be right. Our actions we thought would be the right actions. We were then questioned and answered the question. We explained our reason of what and how yet TLR grew in members joining there cause to destroy Aesir now. |
What cause exactly is that? It wasn't the surrender terms, because you were planning to enter before that. Are you defending T.R.O.'s right to attck whoever they want? |
I Don't know how else to make this any simpler... GD stated our motives earlier in this thread... and sense the community wants to know the actions of this war I will post some nice war news for this thread:
The Siege of
Durolipons belonging to
Caesarus10 [Æsir] by
Princess Xanax [~NC~] has begun
Caesarus10 a population of 40,000, Princess Xanax has a population 115,000
Aesir is a bully then? When we are being attacked by people who are not in the TLR alliance who are as of now picking on a person who is not even half there size...
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I am Responsible for what I say.
I Am not responsible for what you understand.
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:35 |
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Edit: Misunderstanding understood.
Edited by Brids17 - 27 Jul 2012 at 03:05
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SugarFree
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
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Points: 350 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:45 |
some people here understand.
some others DO NOT.
you dislike TLR ideas, so you think you can kill them. this is all a silly excuse to move war to them.
TRL WON an war they did not wanted, forced by the ego of a prominent 15 years old.
the community was in denial, so they started challing out at EF to make him do/say something that they could use against him. that did not work.
now you say aesir is the poor poor victim if they get exterminated? they ( aesir) deserve the fate they had in mind for TRL, as i see it.
and the sugar proved to be brown on the coat after all.
i am glad i am sugarfree.
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Taron
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Location: Hell Wisconsin
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Points: 81 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 02:52 |
Brids17 wrote:
Taron wrote:
Caesarus10 a population of 40,000, Princess Xanax has a population 115,000 |
Oh come on now...You can't be seriously trying to play the victim now all of a sudden? Besides, the size difference between your alliance and TLR is larger than the size difference than those two players so your argument is double the moot is already was.
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The main argument of this ENTIRE thread is that smaller players are being picked on! I am not playing victim. I am showing that the side that is being bullied and treated "horrible and will be destroyed"(community words not mine) is not even holding up to there own word. All the evidence they have shown is that Aesir threatened TLR, and that some Aesir players attacked before the war was declared. Sorry to say but most wars start before they are declared.
If the game was to be about fair fight and everyone having the same armies, with the same stats, with the same outcome (which to make everyone happy with out having losers, it would be a draw every match) they would have made the game like that. I am not supporting killing newbs, I am stating that they put out there that we are killing small people, where they went and got someone to go and siege someone two times smaller then them.
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Meagh
Forum Warrior
Joined: 16 Jul 2011
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Points: 224 |
Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 03:23 |
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To reitterate what Kumomoto posted earlier, attacking a smaller player in an alliance you are at war with is not wrong. That smaller player has the option of leaving the war at any time by leaving the alliance (even temporarily) you are at war with at any time. Smaller players can contribute much to a war effort. They can scout, they can send resources, they can cast spells. They can reinforce. Excluding them from any war effort is bad strategy imho. Aesir and TLR and anyone else is entirely justified attacking anyone they are at war with. None of you need to defend that or explain that action. You are at war, explanation enough.
It is true, there are some constraints on wargaming that arise through good play... Zeroing out a player, sieging any player out of the game even in war would be foul imho. Refusing to enter talks when one side surrenders would be foul. Battling players who you are at war with? Not foul, good call imho.
I have no comment on anything else i think and really no real interest in who wins as none are my allies. That said, I'm surprised that others have not joined in this war. TLR is accepting allies... I would have expected Aesir's allies to step up.
Good luck and have fun to all. - M.
Edited by Meagh - 27 Jul 2012 at 03:26
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Daufer
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Joined: 14 Jun 2011
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 03:27 |
I have no dog in this fight and I'm not supporting either side. I don't really care one way or the other what happens, but this feels a bit unfair the way people are jumping all over Aesir. I quote from HonoredMule back in Sept. 2011:
"Azreil believes that he has toed some political line that gives him the upper hand PR-wise should we attack first, that he is orchestrating a clever balance of warmongering and disassociation. If you believe we're wrong to attack him simply because we're tired of his attitude and the sensibilities of his crew, perhaps he's a little right.
Were Valar a peaceful alliance, Harmless would feel much greater onus to justify "starting" a conflict with them. But given their taste for blood and our similar size, I firmly believe that "because we don't like you" ought to be wholly sufficient motivation--understanding of course, that our distaste is not some random happenstance but rather a reaction to real attitudes and behavior toward us.
KillerPoodle posted our reasons for going to war (aptly summarized as "we don't like you") and that, along with the fact that they're entrenching themselves in conflict with our confederate partners, is what we deem wholly sufficient justification so far as the public need be concerned."
No, I didn't care about that war either. Is this really
that much different though, because I don't remember people lining up to help VALAR to kick H?'s butt. Quite the opposite in fact... I Just don't understand the mentality. Maybe hanging out in global chat all the time really is good for you.
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