Here come the conspiracy theories.

**sigh**

@Bulani: It is a fair point that many TVM players have moved to GATE, and many STOMP players have moved to SHARK. I still think it's quite a stretch to call this STOMP 3.0.

@Dung: I don't fully understand your "behind the scenes" comment. While it's certainly possible to invisibly transfer gold and resources between alliances, isn't the actual roster completely transparent? Battle reports list all participants, so it doesn't seem possible to fight undetected. Except with magic and diplomats, but those are hardly lethal weapons compared to armies.

Likewise I don't understand your assertion that "there are no strategic reasons or justifications". People have quoted two of your leaders saying that Newlands was strategic and valuable to SHARK's long term objectives. You might disagree with them, but your own leaders felt justified in challenging TVM's land claim to secure an important area. Apparently your opponents also feel quite strongly about your presence there, enough to risk their cities against the #1 alliance. If you believe that the area isn't strategic, why focus on building there in the first place, despite regional hostilities, and why hold it now with such vigor?

abstractdream wrote: Dungshoveleux wrote: I do not ever believe that wars are 1:1. A great deal goes on behind the scenes with "help". I don't necessarily have evidence this time, but saw enough in round 1 to convince me of this assertion. ...round 1? Like this:  [UPDATED] TVM-Intercepted Vans at Campagnolo Siege Reveal Pico’s Alt Supplied City From MOON?? Not only did MOON help SHARK (though, apparently without their knowledge and admittedly, they did the right thing and asked LePue to go) but so did SHRKr. I'm convinced SHARK believes they should be able to do anything they want and are surprised when called on it (verbally or otherwise).

Dungshoveleux wrote: @Brandmeister I also note that Gateway contains most of TVM and is styled as "related to" (my words) SIN.  So there you go.

I note that Gateway have not declared war, so I am uncertain what point you are trying to make or maybe Shark having SHRKr and their "after war was declared" confed TUF should count as well?

What I also noted on the day war was declared was that Sin had 37 members and Shark had 83.
As far as I can see Sin still have 37, Shark appear to have picked up a couple of extras...

I could maybe work up a good conspiracy theory about summoning aid for a one to one fight and trying to drag in other alliances but it wouldn't be Sin I'd be mentioning