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the fact that both cities were launched at the same time says it all.
illyriad has functioned for years on the 10sq rule and negotiation.
land claims forces compliance with another alliance's interests in places which that alliance do not occupy. that can't be right imho as you ought to control your 10sq and that's it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mahaut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2015 at 10:41
Not taking sides here guys...
But please don't devolve a thread about the war into yet another discussion on the pro's and con's of land claiming. 
That subject has endless threads elsewhere................
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Where is the line between metagame and game?

Reading the original post. What i got out is:
Sin is predicting that Shark will dominate BL in the future. It is taken as a bias for their move (attack).

Fear:
Did Sin fear peaked with the last Shark war in BL?  We have heard repeatedly Sin calling names out like "cowards".

Envy:
Sin is currently giving Shark what they themselves want to have in the future. Looks like Sin's move is frantic made out of depression.

Bully:
Here is Shark. But is this their fault? Who are crying here is those who want to end the war. Even Sin has predicted that they will be fled into a corner so they settled there seemingly by free will.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2015 at 12:58
"Sin fear?"   get real Wacko

Well unless you mean Fear of Sin...that would make slightly more sense

Asr I think you need to look at your timelines a bit more closely

Sin were in BL for very much longer than Shark or their offshoot Stomp were.. They settled where they settled by choice. It had to have been by choice as the continent was wide open when they first went there.
They showed no interest themselves in Newlands and were perfectly fine with other alliances being there.  They certainly haven't "fled" anywhere.

I have seen no evidence to suggest Sin wanted to dominate BL and are fighting Shark because they want to in the future...I have no idea where you get that idea from, nothing of that nature has been suggested by anyone else.

Anyone suggesting Sin leadership is in any way depressed...well as I said earlier - get real. A less depressed bunch of players it would be difficult to imagine lol.


Edited by Arian - 12 Nov 2015 at 13:25
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Originally posted by Dungshoveleux Dungshoveleux wrote:

the fact that both cities were launched at the same time says it all.
illyriad has functioned for years on the 10sq rule and negotiation.
land claims forces compliance with another alliance's interests in places which that alliance do not occupy. that can't be right imho as you ought to control your 10sq and that's it.
more accurately, the game has functioned for years on negotiation. the 10-square rule was a part of that. so was threat of military action, and, occasionally, actual war. when things could be kept from coming to that, it was not because we had a robust set of rules to follow; it was because personal relationships that often transcended the alliances were brought to bear, and alliance leaders had clout enough within their own organisations to make agreements and see them followed rather than being compelled into crisis by a dogmatic adherence to a moral ideal.

did you play this game before the 10-square rule, or prior to crafting? i realise it's become the fashion among player of a certain opinion to impart to the 10-square rule the force of natural law; i'd like to understand if that's a considered position or simply the effect of never having seen the game function in another way. i assure you we did quite well prior to H?'s announcement (which was decried by most at the time as a naked land grab). there were multiple ways for alliances to signal their settlement intentions, the emphasis being on communication rather than some vague idea of "rights".
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Sin voices their opinions a lot. Just look the postings like BL need to come different than Elgea. You elgeans stay in Elgea, let us play our own way in BL.

These things told are crying out being depressive. Punk style. Look the names, how they look all pointing towards unhappiness.
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To each their own style of game play is for all, wherever is for all. But yes there are marked territories denoted in BL where you have come under authority of an alliance. If you take your spot, defend it, claim it for all of the game (10sq, 8sq.. whatever distance) as an alliance then that alliance has its own rules. In this instance, as far as I know, I could move to Newlands without asking ANYONE. Only if I wanted to move shorter in distance than the norm so called 10sq to contact the neighbor, which in Elgea is done time and time again with no problems. 

I digress though, this is a war of preferences that one alliance wants it's part in BL and the other (in this case, SIN) doesn't want it there. Confeds called in... war in progress.


Edited by Diva - 12 Nov 2015 at 15:28
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Soon you need Visa and passport to enter Broken Lands. First we have a military controlled state till the system is built up.
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Originally posted by asr asr wrote:

Sin voices their opinions a lot. Just look the postings like BL need to come different than Elgea. You elgeans stay in Elgea, let us play our own way in BL.

These things told are crying out being depressive. Punk style. Look the names, how they look all pointing towards unhappiness.

You are interpreting SIN completely wrong.

What they, and some other players down there have been saying about BL is that they do not want it to be like Elgaea in the sense that as soon as there is a war/conflict there will be a huge piling on by alliance to kill off the 'agressor'.

SIN advocates PvP. What is happening in Elgaea is that the possibility of that playing style has been smothered. Somebody mentioned SIN being NC 2.0. This a wrong statement, fed only by Stukahh (formerly Sir Bradly) and one or two other ex-NC players being there. For my argument's sake I will use the analogy though when I say that NC was razed off the Elgaean map by no less than 12 alliances teaming up on them. And while SIN does not shy away from a fight who can blame them if they are not waiting to be piled upon by half of the top 10 alliances all at once, two of which by the way were the alliances that merged into what is now SHARK. I will not go deeper into that war again, but the fact remains the piling and razing of complete accounts back then have changed Illyriad, maybe forever. But I can understand the distrust.

So I ask you, asr, is SIN not waiting for all the big guys to have finished exodusing down there with cities loaded with troops lined up and ready to pile up on them an act of depressed desperation? Are they playing unfair? Or could them declaring first and on their own terms be just a simple strategical decision? Like SHARK wanting to settle in Newlands because it is good land and positioned well is a very sound strategical choice. For all I know VIC has a very good strategical reason to join the conflict as well. But just as I can not look into the heads of SHARK and SIN, neither can you do the same with SIN.

In the mean time, I hope everybody is having fun.  Smile

P.S. (Re: land claim)
And for the record (forgive me, Mahaut) SIN's claim of Northern Fellandire has nothing to do with frustrating other alliances' plans to move in there. But if any of the trigger-happy shame crying finger pointing posters in these forums had bothered to check the area 'their' claim concerned, they had seen that it was already impossible to Tenaril or Exodus in there without being confedded to a combination of GATE(HALO), Fam and SIN (who do share a confed), because 10-square rule and all that comes with it. The claim was merely pointed at people moving in a settler within the which would frustrate city placing for all three alliances. There have been plenty of examples of the same in Elgaea in the past; read some of my posts in those threads handling that. The founding alliances of DSD come to mind, as does DARK (the old one that merged with Shade into SHARK).

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Edited by Captain Kindly - 12 Nov 2015 at 16:07
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Captain Kindly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2015 at 16:06
Originally posted by asr asr wrote:

Soon you need Visa and passport to enter Broken Lands. First we have a military controlled state till the system is built up.

It was the same in Elgaea, not so long ago.
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