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Poll Question: Should Harmless fight and disable TMM to protect newbies?
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    Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:40
TMM have finally acted upon their threats to ethnically cleanse "their" territory, and they're starting with all the alliances that aren't Toothless--presumably because we (Harmless) back Toothless and would crush TMM when that happens.

Harmless finds TMM's actions despicable, including those against individuals and alliances we do not protect.  At the same time, we do not want to police the server or ever be viewed as the server police.  There is generally room in Illyriad for all play styles.  But is this too much?  For this situation alone, we are willing to stand in defense of all newbies in TMM territory.

Please vote on whether you think Harmless should declare war on TMM.  This one time only, we will enforce the wishes of the community as a whole.  TMM is attacking players NOW and time is very short.  Because of this, we will begin launching attacks very soon and not stop until this poll sits stably at a clear "no."

Realize that we are giving the community as a whole voice over whether we get involved before Toothless comes under fire, not how or until what point.  Once ratified, we will stop when we feel that newbies are safe and the aggressors will not (or cannot) repeat their mistakes or retaliate against us in the near future.

Note also that reactively defending cities under attack (especially at our distance) is beyond tactically infeasible.  Cities would be razed to the ground by the time we arrived, and that's without considering non-aligned players and NAPing half the server.

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 - HM, Harmless Director


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:53
Shuey vote yes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:00

Hi HM,

always love reading your posts.
 
So to answer you honestly.
 
If H? isn't going in, we will anyway.
 
I do have to be honest we are in a bind right now, so we can't respond just yet the way we would like to, but I hope to solve that problem at our earliest convenience :p
 
However, we totally agree with your grievances against TMM. We, that being Invictus and Victrix, would be honoured to join you. And if you decide not to make that step, we will still go along. TMM have something coming yet.
 
To be honest, there is just one outcome to this.
 
Nige, Butler, Juno, Yoshi-sumtin, and ava-sumtin positions die.
 
Their friends have a little time to still negotiate with us. But not to long, cause the wheel/sands of time is/are running out for them.
 
*Shadar Logoth scratches his bald head while picking some meat from between his teeth*
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All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:02
Originally posted by Shadar Logoth Shadar Logoth wrote:

Hi HM,

always love reading your posts.
 
So to answer you honestly.
 
If H? isn't going in, we will anyway.
 
I do have to be honest we are in a bind right now, so we can't respond just yet the way we would like to, but I hope to solve that problem at our earliest convenience :p
 
However, we totally agree with your grievances against TMM. We, that being Invictus and Victrix, would be honoured to join you. And if you decide not to make that step, we will still go along. TMM have something coming yet.
 
To be honest, there is just one outcome to this.
 
Nige, Butler, Juno, Yoshi-sumtin, and ava-sumtin positions die.
 
Their friends have a little time to still negotiate with us. But not to long, cause the wheel/sands of time is/are running out for them.
 
*Shadar Logoth scratches his bald head while picking some meat from between his teeth*


The time for negotiations is over. To war, brothers, to war.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:07
i say yes! why sit around and wait while TMM goes around killing noob friendly alliances? i vote yes. i will use my Armys to defend ANY
T? member that gets attacked.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:09
 i think H? should get involved to make TMM humbled, but i doubt TMM is going to be humbled, so...they are probably going to have to be downsized. So H? seems like the best possible people to do this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:24
I say H? should do what they want just like in previous cases. If H? wants to join in a War join, if H? dosen't don't. I say H? should make its own choice.
 
I say do whats right, but do what you feel.
 
I'm not saying I've made the right decisions all the time and I'm not saying H? has made wrong decisions. I'm sayind theres always 2 paths and one has to be the one must take.
 
Aesir has made there choice and it will be shown later.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:24
I admit to not having followed the issue, but from what I can see (only our side), I want to keep the bullies off the street.

However, direct action should only be applied when negotiations have failed. 

Whoever lead those negotiations should step down or be fired.

< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">< name="ProgId" ="Word.">< name="Generator" ="Microsoft Word 9">< name="Originator" ="Microsoft Word 9"> "The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations."  -David Friedman
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:29
There isn't any negotiating with TMM, Kelis.   Their stance with US, Toothless and any other player in their "so-called" territory is join us or we'll seige you out of our space.     They never made a public announcement about their intentions for that area priior to activation of the spell to move.    Toothelss and US members both settled there, along side of TMM.    I shudder to think of the unaffiliated players they have already run out of this game because they claim they have rights to that territory.   

They don't have rights to that area, period.   We all moved there and we can live in peace, TMM's position is join or be destroyed.      Again, call it like it is, bullying.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:30
@Kelis2:

negotiations have already failed after ongoing discussions between TMM and several affected alliances in the area.  In every case TMM's position has been intractable and untenable for any who would remain independent (i.e. free).

The idea that conflicts should be solvable without violence is a noble but ultimately willfully naive position that elevates unwillingness to exert violence over any other value--including freedom and/or unwillingness to sacrifice ones self to received violence.
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