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    Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 23:45
Recently there have been a number of incidents of sexual harassment and sexual shaming in global chat. 

For those who are wondering, sexual shaming is criticising or "exposing" a person for sexual activity (real or alleged) or for behaving in ways that someone thinks are associated with sexual activity. This sort of harassment is most often directed toward women and represents a form of sexism.  It can also be directed toward men.

Illy rules prohibit sexism and sexual harassment.  In the past the developers and community have done a pretty good job of addressing this issue.  I think it's time for us to take a stand together, as a community, to say that this activity is not OK, not by anyone, not toward anyone.

I propose the following:

1) Players who agree that sexual harassment and sexual shaming should not be tolerated can indicate their agreement in this forum post.

2) We need a statement from the Illy developers reaffirming their opposition to this practice and their willingness to enforce existing rules against it.

3)  On an alliance level, I encourage alliance leaders to state that they will not tolerate this behavior from their members.

I am not posting to encourage witch hunts or vengeance.  Most of what we need to do can be done in global chat and private messages, by letting people know that sort of behavior is not tolerated and by ignoring or blocking the offenders.

I am also not posting because I have an agenda regarding Illy politics.  I have seen these sorts of comments coming from different sides in Illy conflicts, including sides I agree with as well as those I don't.  I don't care what the Illy political persuasion is, sexual harassment and sexual shaming are never OK.  Such personal attacks, whatever their motivation, make global chat an uncomfortable place even for those not directly targeted and as such are bad for the game.


Edited by Rill - 28 Aug 2016 at 00:36
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" I am not posting to encourage witch hunts or vengeance."

But that's the fun part!

/me goes on a witch hunt for vengeance
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 While I agree with all of what you have said, I would like to highlight a particular section that is a very accurate description of my feelings on the subject

"I don't care what the Illy political persuasion is, sexual harassment and slut-shaming are never OK.  Such personal attacks, whatever their motivation, make global chat an uncomfortable place even for those not directly targeted and as such are bad for the game."

"sexual harassment and slut-shaming are never OK"

"never"

NEVER.
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Personally, I find the use of the "s" word in this thread by Rill to be highly offensive in an of itself. Even if she is talking about a form of harassment in the abstract, I would think that that term would be off-limits in what is supposed to be a rated-G forum. We certainly wouldn't accept the "n" word here, even if used in the abstract and without any hurt intended. 

I hope the game moderators will consider whether this thread needs that word in order to have this conversation.

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Jejune, upon further consideration, in order to avoid this post devolving into a debate about word choice, I have changed the word you found offensive.  It has been used in a number of mainstream media, including Time magazine, but I would not want an issue of wording to detract from the main point of the discussion, which is that such behavior should not be tolerated.

Edited by Rill - 28 Aug 2016 at 00:38
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Thank you Rill
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Originally posted by Solanar Solanar wrote:

"I am not posting to encourage witch hunts or vengeance."

But that's the fun part!

/me goes on a witch hunt for vengeance

Uh ohh...
Not the plank... please not the plank!

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Whilst sometimes having a foul mouth myself, I believe that it is necessary with balance. The line can be crossed and it is obvious to most people where this line is. Cultures are different though, so that's also important to remember. Every nation and society have different ways of seeing, using their language and dealing with things. Sometimes they are very 'harsh' .. I agree that the line has been crosses too often recently and I will do my part to try and stay above this line, not below it. Rill is correct in shedding light on this issue.

Josh

*edit changed some wording*


Edited by DeliciousJosh - 28 Aug 2016 at 00:45

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We do not tolerate harassment in any form, and that has been in the rules for a long time. 

If anyone sees an issue with a particular player, all you need to do is send me a time it happened (game time, in the top-right corner) and the name of the person who did it.

If someone is harassing you or someone else in an IGM, please open the IGM and then copy and paste the address that appears in your address bar into an IGM to me or to community@illyriad.co.uk.

If you cannot do this because you are on the tablet app or have any other issues, just send me the offending player's name, the game-time it happened (including date) and if this was something that has gone on for a while or any other details that need to be added.

No need to copy and paste the text, etc, as we can see all of that, and can see into AC, private messages, or anything else we need to. We don't monitor it all, but we do record it all.

Thanks!

GMR

EDIT: This is not open to debate. Players do not get to decide what is harassment, the developers do. Still, feel free to leave any comments or suggestions on how we might tackle the issue. Thanks!





Edited by GM Rikoo - 28 Aug 2016 at 00:41
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Go Rill and Congrats Rikoo for being there
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