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Points: 839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 22:02
There are also developed players of other Consone alliances having alts in VIC.

Makes communication much faster, and as long as those links are known to the leaders of both alliances, I have no problem with that... 
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 22:41
Its just that the method is most frequently used between main and wing alliances - and in most cases to help new players get the hang of Illy, not sway political opinions in one way or the other or to act simply as a limb in a large intimidating entity.
You may be right in regards to easier communication - thats a take on it, but you could also see it as VIC forming a myriad of "puppet" alliances, which are in all political matters under the control of the main alliance while retaining the ability to recruit under the guise of being independent.

It seems wrong to me.

I realise I can't make myself judge on what is a legit and illegitimate strategy here, but I honestly can't say I applaud Illyriad taking this new direction.
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 23:11
Tord, it supports my argument that 1 Consone = All Consone.  

It weakens the Consone claims that each member alliance is independent and member alliances should not be responsible for the actions of their Consone Confeds.
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Maybe the H? coalition ought to do some recruiting, too? This war expands merrily every day to include more players, more alliace -- I'm sure there are some folks out there that would like to get in on the fun, but just aren't "Consone people." It's like there's "Elvis people" and "Beatles people." Same with this war: you've got the "H? people" and "Consone people."

( God this comment is going to spin off so many snarky remarks.)
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Points: 839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 00:49
Originally posted by Tordenkaffen Tordenkaffen wrote:

Its just that the method is most frequently used between main and wing alliances - and in most cases to help new players get the hang of Illy, not sway political opinions in one way or the other or to act simply as a limb in a large intimidating entity.
You may be right in regards to easier communication - thats a take on it, but you could also see it as VIC forming a myriad of "puppet" alliances, which are in all political matters under the control of the main alliance while retaining the ability to recruit under the guise of being independent.

It seems wrong to me.

I realise I can't make myself judge on what is a legit and illegitimate strategy here, but I honestly can't say I applaud Illyriad taking this new direction.

Until recently, VIC even had a player with his alt in H?, but we had to ask him to leave, when diplomatic relations got more icy between our two alliances.

Consone consists of independently founded alliances, with some of them having confeds for a long time already.
Those links aren't one way, as you might suppose, but there are also high ranking officers of our partners sending their alts into VIC.

The leaders of those alliances never have been in VIC, except official former wing alliances like Victrix and partly Sages as a foundation by former VIC members and some alts.

Every alliance has free will. But as in every pakt, we try to coordinate our actions between those different leaders. That's what I called High Command in previous posts. Every leaders has a voice in there, and everyone is free to leave, if he doesn't agree with commonly made decisions.
Communication still isn't perfect, too. So please excuse me, if I'm not immediately up to date with incidents made by single persons in other parts of Consone.

I'll happily try to mediate in any problem, though, but if I only get sentences like "a player in WE set up a siege against RES, EXPLAIN!", I'd need some time getting into background and reasons for such an incident myself.

Jasche is chosen chief diplomate of Consone, not leader. We're still independent parts, that's what causes some of those problems some people like to complain about...


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Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Tord, it supports my argument that 1 Consone = All Consone.  

It weakens the Consone claims that each member alliance is independent and member alliances should not be responsible for the actions of their Consone Confeds.

If you give me names, cities, reasons, IGM and background information, I might be able to mediate in this particular incident.
Numbers of soldiers lost, damage to city, etc. would be nice to know, too, as to estimate the gravity of this incident.

As I stated above, it was NO coordinated action, thus I didn't know of this siege until I heard it is gone already...

...thus, please enlighten me!
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 04:08
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Tord, it supports my argument that 1 Consone = All Consone.  

It weakens the Consone claims that each member alliance is independent and member alliances should not be responsible for the actions of their Consone Confeds.

If you give me names, cities, reasons, IGM and background information, I might be able to mediate in this particular incident.
Numbers of soldiers lost, damage to city, etc. would be nice to know, too, as to estimate the gravity of this incident.

As I stated above, it was NO coordinated action, thus I didn't know of this siege until I heard it is gone already...

...thus, please enlighten me!
 

Go enlighten yourself from Jasche.


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Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Go enlighten yourself from Jasche.

Thanks for the nice advice, and I did so.

Jasche's version (in short) sounded like there had been a dispute on settling towns, different ideas about town distance rules (as already clarified by both side at length), consequent soving of squares, again dispute about distances, etc...
And finally one player (surprisingly and sadly from our side) sending out a siege.

So pro's and Con's on both sides. And in my opinion, this siege had definitly been a bad move and far too aggressive.

What I really don't understand, is why you haven't put your own view in here, even upon asking?
It would have been another thread in distance disputes, and diplomacy would have had it's chance to go along.

But all I got was:

Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Starry, Consone requested RES's assistance which was refused and greeted with a Consone siege on RES.  These Consone fellas are a very "interesting" bunch.

A very interesting point of view, I'm sure. But not very helpful in mediating conflicts.
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