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Rill 
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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 Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 08:43 |
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Asking that people let other people beat on them as a condition of talking peace is unreasonable. No way you twist it can make it OK.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
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Location: USA
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 08:45 |
 Gartak wrote:
Just want to point out that ABSA is a part of Consone so to say that Consone will have to stand down is to say that ABSA have to stand down too |
ABSA is not Consone anymore than EE is Consone.
DLord had an issue just recently with EE and we were not at issue with Consone. It is apparent from the ENTIRE thread, RHY sees this as something between them and ABSA and Consone members joined in before RHY friends did, everyone defending. Thus for them to state for Consone to stand down, the context of the entire issue is easily understood as the Consone members who joined up to aid ABSA.
Come on people, seriously!
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 08:49 |
Rill wrote:
Asking that people let other people beat on them as a condition of talking peace is unreasonable. No way you twist it can make it OK. |
Hellooooo! Who is beating anything.. if Consone will stand down the others will too. No twisting, only petty squabbling over who is to stand down first so ABSA can seek a peace accord.
If you want peace, just ask for a pledge from your allies to stop.. and trust them to do so.. Sieges recalled, talks proceed and people get back to the tourney for hundreds of thousands of poor troops can litter the ground with parts and blood. wow.. that sounds.. uck!
Edited by belargyle - 12 Oct 2012 at 08:53
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 08:51 |
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Fascinating dialogue I must say.
Random thought.
Someone who attacks someone else doesnt get to call the ball.
ABSA can attack RHY, if they feel that is the right course of action. But in doing so you lose the right to dictate the outcome.
IE. You dont get to attack and when that bites you in the arse demand terms.
You initiate action. It goes against you. You dont get to call how it ends. RHY has the moral high ground and gets to decide terms. Thats the bonus of being the recipient.
RHY was attacked. It responded. It's terms may be not be agreeable. But they're her terms. Not yours. The mistake was that you thought you had a call after starting this action.
Let me save you all some time 'Rhy responded aggressively! Rhy claimed a mine X Sov squares....'
Opinion X, Y and Z.
ABSA attacked when it had zero part in the contentious dispute.
It then ran for help.
RHY then played the game you set. Followed your lead shall we say.
And it was all looking good for a while eh......
All Hail Harmless the great puppeteers of Illyriad.
Bloody hell, get a hobby.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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Points: 401 |
Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:08 |
But even to that.. ABSA had every right to aid their Confed when asked..
However, if you jump into a fight, be prepared to fight. ABSA could have entered this many different ways instead of sending out an army and mail to the other alliance and say 'move, of your troops will get hurt' (paraphrased of course). Not a smart way to jump in, unless you desire an attack. (not saying it was something that was necessarily desired but obviously not thought out) Example - when it happens to DLord (and it has), you can bet we will turn our aim to them as well... but that is us and most know it - Yes, we are freaks and we know it but most love us, even if they just love to hate us. Back the post though ---
However right, once ABSA engaged RHY, who was not at war nor attacking SkB, with ABSA troops.. it was up to RHY as to let it pass or take up the challenge in whatever manner they chose.
RHY had the right to launch an attack if they so chose, just as ABSA had every right to come to their confed's aid. All actions have consequences.. the question is - are you willing to take them. If so.. go for it. If not.. think of another way.
*shrugs.. just my nickles worth is all. I'm a dumb dwarf anyway.. who cares what I say (mumble)
Edited by belargyle - 12 Oct 2012 at 09:11
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Mogul
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:14 |
Gartak wrote:
Just want to point out that ABSA is a part of Consone so to say that Consone will have to stand down is to say that ABSA have to stand down too |
And I actually think that they demand this absurdity...
belargyle wrote:
They went to war with ABSA due to something ABSA did (not stating a right or wrong here, just a fact) and so in order for ABSA to seek peace with RHY, RHY must stand down to talk peace.. what logic truck did that fall of!
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RHY started war, RHY is attacking ABSA and so in order to seek peace ABSA must stop to defend them... what logic truck did that fall of!
belargyle wrote:
Hellooooo! Who is beating anything.. if Consone will stand down the others will too. No twisting, only petty squabbling over who is to stand down first so ABSA can seek a peace accord. |
RHY is beating Absa towns?
No need to search for who should stop first if there is easy way that both stop at same time... How could Consone attack recalled siege camps?
Grego wrote:
Please understand that we will not recall siege engines and commence a cease fire during negotiations until there is a pledge from Consone to stand down and a demonstrative halt in attacks. |
Oh I am so happy to not be in position to deal with those things as I would probably barf...
First: you are attacking Consone towns... Consone is defending them
Second: do you know that there are many Consone players several days away from your siege camps? how could they stop traveling armies if there are some?
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Jasche
Wordsmith
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Location: UK
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:34 |
Consone alliances will send no further troops at the moment providing peace talks are now taking place between Absa and RHY. We do have incoming troops aimed at breaking sieges only and we cannot recall these troops as they are on their way. We know that there are more incoming sieges landing on Absa at the moment.
We would continue to ask that you commit to standing down your sieges during peace negotiations as Absa cities are being destroyed during this time. We cannot ask Absa to stop defending their cities where sieges are destroying their cities.
If you are committed to peace and withdrawing then we will let you know where our armies are landing and in what order so you can prioritise your messengers.
I will reiterate again - Consone are not crying 'foul' as a group of alliances, we have said the following:
We think the reaction to what has happened to be out of proportion with the offending behaviour. We are asking for a cease fire in order that talks can commence. We are seeking an end to the sieging of cities as soon as possible.
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'The Welfare of the People is the Highest Law'
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belargyle
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:34 |
Mogul wrote:
And I actually think that they demand this absurdity... |
It is your to think what you wish.. it changes nothing with those who are in the midst of the event in question.
| RHY started war, RHY is attacking ABSA and so in order to seek peace ABSA must stop to defend them... what logic truck did that fall of! |
And what precipitated the war that RHY declared against ABSA.. ABSA attacked RHY. That is and of itself, for whatever reason you wish to tack to it, is a challenge and a threat. An answer is must to such an event.. whether in word or deed. Whether or not you like it isn't the issue. So no.. it never fell of the logic truck.. it's holding fine.
Secondly, you BET! RHY did not state ABSA could not defend itself (get your facts straight) - they stated if you wanted to talk peace, Consone must back out. If Consone backs out so do their allies.. tension lessen, peace can be found.
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No need to search for who should stop first if there is easy way that both stop at same time... How could Consone attack recalled siege camps?
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Yes. and if ABSA was the ones to declare war on RHY they could dictate the terms for speaking of peace if RHY requested it.
The absurdity here is that it even being discussed regarding such a simple request.
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First: you are attacking Consone towns... Consone is defending them
Second: do you know that there are many Consone players several days away from your siege camps? how could they stop traveling armies if there are some?
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No.. they are attacking ABSA towns.. Consone has no ownership of alliances nor the towns therein. The alliances are autonomous but work together.
Easy.. the point pledge to stop... and demonstrate it.. how about a list of any incoming units (amounts and times of landing) that way anything more, can be validated and ceasing is demonstrated. That is one idea. However it is up to RHY on the terms of peace as ABSA is requesting for talks.
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Grego
Postmaster
Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:37 |
Garth wrote:
Grego wrote:
.... and ABSA forces have sallied forth with Nesse of Dwarven Lord in the army....
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There's all sorts of drama going on in general, and it's being fairly discussed. I just happened to catch this one ^^^
For the record, Nesse is in Dwarven Druids, not Dlords.
(to the uninitiated reader, H? and Dlords have one of the oldest Confeds in the game..so you can see how a Dlord player being caught "on the other side" might have spiced things up even more than they already are..)
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You should ask Jejune about that, I quoted his mail
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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Points: 401 |
Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:37 |
Jasche wrote:
Consone alliances will send no further troops at the moment providing peace talks are now taking place between Absa and RHY. We do have incoming troops aimed at breaking sieges only and we cannot recall these troops as they are on their way. We know that there are more incoming sieges landing on Absa at the moment.
We would continue to ask that you commit to standing down your sieges during peace negotiations as Absa cities are being destroyed during this time. We cannot ask Absa to stop defending their cities where sieges are destroying their cities.
If you are committed to peace and withdrawing then we will let you know where our armies are landing and in what order so you can prioritise your messengers.
I will reiterate again - Consone are not crying 'foul' as a group of alliances, we have said the following:
We think the reaction to what has happened to be out of proportion with the offending behaviour. We are asking for a cease fire in order that talks can commence. We are seeking an end to the sieging of cities as soon as possible.
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Jashce, I commend you.. I'm sure you have but make sure you send a message to RHY diplomat so all bases are covered.
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