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Poll Question: Should the devs remove the option to gift medals outside the alliance?
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 18:45
Originally posted by Bonaparta Bonaparta wrote:

Auraya please stop making fuss about nothing. First of all how other alliances negotiate for cease fire and peace is none of your concern and second you have no idea what was going on in negotiations, perhaps TRO proposed medals in the first place...


that and ITS UP TO THE LOSER TO ACCEPT OR DECLINE, SHUT THE F UP AND GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE!

now you see, this is what real life is, and this game is played as "real" life, just in a different world with some different functions, and its always up to the people what to do. 


Demanding that the world change to fit you seems extremely childish to me.
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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 18:49
Interesting thread. Imo, the solution is never to take away functionality. This is a sandbox. Right or wrong, one can extort medals. If it is wrong (to the same extent that we feel newbie is wrong, for example), then I suspect the community will take action. If not then not. That is part of being a sandbox.

I think it is incredibly dangerous and I am vehemently opposed to removing functionality just because it has the potential to be abused by in game actions. If people feel strongly about this, work to make its abuse anathema to the Illy community. It is a model that has worked very well with newbie bashing in the past and can with other abuses in the future if enough people agree.

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Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

"force"


Isn't forcing some one to do  something they do not wish to do a form of bullying or harassment, which would be forbidden according of the ToS?
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:12
Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

"force"


Isn't forcing some one to do  something they do not wish to do a form of bullying or harassment, which would be forbidden according of the ToS?

Bullying is not forbidden by the code of conduct; the code is silent on the issue.  Abuse, harassment and name-calling are forbidden.  Although it is not specifically stated, this seems to refer to verbal (chat, forum or mail) interactions rather than use of game mechanics.

Burning someone's cities to the ground, constantly blighting them, sending multiple waves of thieves and diplos are all types of "harassment" that seem to be allowable under game rules.  The only limitations on this sort of activity are community norms, as Kumomoto referenced.

Everything* is permissible. Not all things are beneficial.  Hopefully the collective wisdom of the community will navigate the best course in this situation.

*As limited by game mechanics and the code of conduct.


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Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

"force"


Isn't forcing some one to do  something they do not wish to do a form of bullying or harassment, which would be forbidden according of the ToS?


Luna's whole point was that this kindof "enforcement" is no different than any other form of conflict in the game. 

Before medals were introduced, the terms of a ceasefire could include requiring you to make me a sitter on your account. This is far more intrusive than a medal, and no one has complained about that. 



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Points: 609 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:27
Bullying is harassment imo Rill.  Abuse and harassment is both forbidden from in-game and forums according to the CoC.  There is a difference between sieging a city and demanding prestige indirectly.  
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Points: 609 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:31
I think a more in depth explanation of the meaning of words like 'harassment' and 'bullying' from the rule makers would add clarification to this debate.

Edited by bansisdead - 20 Jul 2012 at 19:32
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:46
The devs make no statement about bullyng, at least that I've seen.  That is community-defined.

If you are concerned that you are being harassed or that you see someone else being harassed but are not sure whether it is harassment, you could file a petition.  The devs will make their decision.  Not really for us to debate.
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ban, the condict stuff is not a "in game rule of conduct" more like a communication rule.
this kind of rule have no effect on gameplay, as gameplay is not regulated. like rill said, no written rules can or should, for all what matters, stop a player from acting as he likes in game, even if he stomps your towns to dust, he is not bullying you if in PMs and on forums he is polite to you and doesn't lack respect/ doesn't insult. 
you can feel abused by such a in-game behavior but it's not against the technical rules. ( thanks gosh to that)


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Originally posted by SugarFree SugarFree wrote:

ban, the condict stuff is not a "in game rule of conduct" more like a communication rule.
this kind of rule have no effect on gameplay, as gameplay is not regulated. like rill said, no written rules can or should, for all what matters, stop a player from acting as he likes in game, even if he stomps your towns to dust, he is not bullying you if in PMs and on forums he is polite to you and doesn't lack respect/ doesn't insult. 
you can feel abused by such a in-game behavior but it's not against the technical rules. ( thanks gosh to that)

lol i could see it now... DEVS! I submitted a petition because sugarfree sent thieves to rob me! He's harassing me! make it so no one can harass me with diplomats or armies!!!!

...soon...

DEVS!!!!! your game sucks, it has became farmville

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