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No one cares anymore. Just continue as we are.
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I have a great trust and respect for my new found allies. It is refreshing to be told the truth.


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[QUOTE=HonoredMule]
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:
Then again, there's a point, where the loss in players hurt more than the actual surrender or cease fire itself.


I don't think losing 375% of everything is actually possible.  At least there is no dishonor in losing, not even in utter destruction, if you stood and fought for what was right to the last man with earnest effort.  At least then you can walk away with your head held high and your shoulders square.  I find this far preferable to mere survival, and Harmless could have easily "survived" by actually destroying enemies instead of merely knocking them down, then picking them back up and dusting off their clothes.

Originally posted by Tameon Tameon wrote:
I begrudge the fact that my side is being forced to raze hundreds, maybe thousands of towns before being able to end the war.


Gee, I'm sorry that the war you started isn't ending promptly to your satisfaction.  There was a time when your side had all the power in the world to stop the war.  Your only cost would have been accepting failure to achieve your objectives.  Just imagine, leaving the war without even contributing millions of resources and billions of gold toward continued destruction of your friends.

---We still control the outcome of the war, to what length you and Coal2 wanna drive the destruction home is in your hands. 

Now you have given us objectives.  We should at least return the favor of destorying every isolated, overwhelmed satellite city and account to be found, to the last fragment of existence.  Then, as battle lines are formed, perhaps we'll consider eventually stopping some point short of the total annihilation your side has so recklessly and indiscriminately sought from the start of this war.
--- You should return the favor?? You lack the forces, if you didnt you would ask those isolated to come to individual terms of surrender. Something you (H?) have done in the past. If annihilation was what we were seeking, then there would be no need for anyone to surrender. The Choice remains your own good sir.

But after watching alliances and players with whom we previously warred on a limited and reasonable scale and afterward built peaceful, positive relations join this battle purely for the profit, glory, and our utter destruction - I can't imagine why we should suffer such coexistence again.
---Limited to whenever your greed and bloodlust was fulfilled. Reasonable in your eyes alone, because as victors you set the scale. The alliances that declared had their own reasons and motives Im sure but while you seem to be pouring some kool aid, Im gonna have to pass this time around. 
But go ahead and offer platitudes here, while you harvest inactives (or claimed inactives), non-combatants, and whatever non-key players are handy.  It's far easier than focusing your efforts on tactical objectives designed to disrupt continued war operations, and it looks really good on paper.  It would even work if you were up against mewling, easily spooked cowards.
---Non-key players?..... Shade values every active member in its alliance so if you could give me a list of the "key players" Id be most grateful. 
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Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:


After TVM, BSH, DB, TCol, T-O and DLord have all fallen for the (perceived) honor of defending H? from the exact same fate you wish to impose upon your enemies? 


We will fall and we will rise together.  We have something you don't have - respect for each other.  Trust of each other.  
You seem convinced the outcome is certain, that troubles me.  For how long have you had precognitive abilities?

Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:

Really HM, get some skin in the game and start showing some backbone. Your allies are losing towns on a daily basis; while you spew nonsense, stifle peace talks and pledge the utter destruction of your enemies from the comfort of your homeland. If this course of action is your idea of honor... then I'll call your bluff and denounce you for the scheming cowards that you are!

Backbone he has.  He has been reborn.  :)
Thanks for helping bring the HonoredMule back.  Watch out for his kick.

Oh, and didn't you stifle the peace talk between RE and CK?  hum...
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Originally posted by Sisren Sisren wrote:


You seem convinced the outcome is certain, that troubles me.  For how long have you had precognitive abilities?

Hmm, TVM has lost all military capable towns.  TCol has lost what, close to 100 towns in one form or another and now has H? babysitters to make sure they don't back down.  H? itself has lost all military forces outside of their southern base, and lost most large cities outside of that area compared to pre-war.  DB has lost 50-75% of military forces, T-O not much better.  DLords has lost almost 100% of military forces outside of their Perrigor hub.  All told the Coalition has lost hundreds of towns 20K pop and higher.

Meanwhile, I can count on my two hands the number of allied towns lost.  Sieges are rarely hit due to the fact the enemy is running out of troops, and generally armies return to towns with more forces than they left with.  

Doesn't paint a pretty picture, not sure what type of precog abilities one needs to have in order to see the outcome.
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I am not so confident that the outcome is certain.  However, this week for the first time I am entertaining the possibility that I might not lose all my cities.  Whatever HM may claim.
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I hardly see any salient points to address - only taunts and bravado.  But I really must ask: was I supposed to just give away my cities and play the martyr?  That's not my definition of an honest effort.

No, I think I'll keep those cities around to contribute to the war effort, and in failing that make you earn my losses at the highest premium I can extract.  I don't need to help you win to prove my loyalty.  I need to do the opposite.  And I'll thank every ally who preserves and consolidates his strength in similar fashion.

Some of you have waited a long time for boredom and the stagnation of the game to do half the work for you, but for me you didn't wait quite long enough.  I would have left the game by now, but under present circumstances I will stay however long it takes to win or be removed by force.

You want my skin in the game?  As long as I'm here, that's my skin.
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I for one don't want you removed.  You have contributed a lot to the game -- the wiki and Butler being just the most obvious examples.  While I don't agree with all of Harmless? conduct, H? as an alliance has also contributed significantly to the growth of Illy and the Illy community.

I personally would rather see you continue to play, whether it be in war or in peace, although I prefer peace.
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Originally posted by Elmindra Elmindra wrote:

All told the Coalition has lost hundreds of towns 20K pop and higher.

I know both sides are posturing here, but this stat seems extremely unlikely.

Of course, I was also skeptical that the damage to Dwarven Lords was purely superficial.
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