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Originally posted by Pellinell Pellinell wrote:

Surrendering to bullies only ensures you will be bullied again.
Well people will eventually get tired of it  if its thus Wink
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Originally posted by Pellinell Pellinell wrote:

Surrendering to bullies only ensures you will be bullied again.

Guess you'd have to ask Consone members if that's true or not.  Although many of them are probably fighting this war to stop the bullying I guess.

<Deranzin> I'd agree with darkone on that

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Originally posted by Darkwords Darkwords wrote:

Originally posted by Pellinell Pellinell wrote:

Surrendering to bullies only ensures you will be bullied again.

Guess you'd have to ask Consone members if that's true or not.  Although many of them are probably fighting this war to stop the bullying I guess.
So who get's to define "bullying".  Is it making someone do what they don't want to or face negative consequences?  If so then the police are bullies, because they will give me a ticket for going as fast as I want to go.  Parents are bullies for making their kids go to bed when they don't want to(and all the other things we make our kids do, for their own good). 
 
Or in this games is it playing it the way you want to, but someone else doesn't want you to?
 
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Any player can say whatever they want without having to fear retribution...and if you have to turn into a bully to fight the bullies then you're no better than them and we all lose.
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I respect Bela for speaking his mind.  I do think he underestimates many people in Illy on BOTH sides who do not respond to disagreement with threats of force or use of force.

I hope that he will see the experience of folks from his alliance and other alliances that those who make peace are treated with respect.  It is difficult to refrain from kicking someone when he is down, especially if that person just kicked you (or your friends), but I believe that we can forge a new path.

Bela, I can understand your fears.  I hope that you will eventually discover they were unfounded.
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I hope that he will see the experience of folks from his alliance and other alliances that those who make peace are treated with respect.
this would seem to be just the point. RE speaks its mind after making peace, they are advised they are in danger of restarting the conflict. when H? brought out EE's agreement to end the Consone conflict as justification for declaring war, they were criticised for resurrecting ancient history. Kilotov leaves because old grudges are never forgiven. are alliances granted peace, or eternal probation?
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Originally posted by Angrim Angrim wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I hope that he will see the experience of folks from his alliance and other alliances that those who make peace are treated with respect.
this would seem to be just the point. RE speaks its mind after making peace, they are advised they are in danger of restarting the conflict. when H? brought out EE's agreement to end the Consone conflict as justification for declaring war, they were criticised for resurrecting ancient history. Kilotov leaves because old grudges are never forgiven. are alliances granted peace, or eternal probation?


Wait, are you pointing that at me?  I was just saying it was bad PR and sent a confused and dis-unified message.  How the hell did you get to me threatening them with war?  
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Wait, are you pointing that at me?  I was just saying it was bad PR and sent a confused and dis-unified message.  How the hell did you get to me threatening them with war?  
it was a rhetorical question. i think everyone is capable of examining their own role in the process and how they feel about it.

it is, as i have mentioned, a public forum. some posts may not be addressed specifically to you. in fact, i mostly use igm for that.
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Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

 Seriously, You guys/gals crack me up

P.S. Dlord hasn't had 'tremendous losses' (lol). Yes, we have had some cities lost - so what, that doesn't even account for 1/10 of our what we have so keep the spin to a minimum.

Let's use the phrase 'tremendous losses' when a group has lost 1/4 or more of their towns. I would agree that any group who lost at least that amount of cities would indeed constitute using the phrase, 'tremendous losses'.

Belargyle, 

I have been trying to keep track of real data about this war since its onset and  I am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news but actual numbers seem to contradict your declaration from above about the 'not accounting losses sustained for the 1/10 of your cities'



Now the good news: 

As far as the 'tremendous losses' declaration, while being in 'that territory' for population and land plots, I am very pleased to confirm that Dlords stands safely a whopping 7-cities count above that threshold.

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Tath,

Seriously, you don't seem to comprehend the BASIC mechanics of the game.
Our (as in Dlord) population and city count has very little to do with what you have sieged. Really, do I need to break it down for you. Apparently I do, so here you go...

Watch what happens with a player is kicked from Dlords, or after being inactive - disappears (and having 8 to 10 cities no less ... *gasp!!  You guessed it - reduction without a single city sieged.  Dlord has had some accounts we got rid of after the war started, and some disappeared. Not because you presume yourself to be 'that' that good.. LOL.

Pop drops, cities and land claims do as well when players get booted, or removed. All of your alliances together have not even come close to razing 100 Dlord towns.

And as for city losses. Some of those losses are simply strategic for various reasons, but then you seem love presuming things you you seem to have little to no knowledge of.

Am I being somewhat obtuse and crass with you? Yes, cause I personally find your attitude more insolent than courteous. If you want to keep bashing on someone - HERE WE ARE! Just leave the ones who surrendered alone. If you desire to brag and boast - do it after the war. Till then it is all up in the air.

Again, keep your spin and just play the game.

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Rill,

I think you missed my point entirely. I stated that it doesn't matter what side of the war you are on.. and proceeded from there to iterate why.


Edited by belargyle - 23 Jan 2014 at 07:29
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