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GM Luna
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Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Location: Illyriad Status: Offline Points: 2042 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 18:05 |
Rill wrote:
I know we're not supposed to discuss the code of conduct, but I will observe that trolling is often in the eye of the beholder, and any attempt to regulate trolling in any but the most light-handed manner may serve to stifle discourse and result in perceptions of favoritism (even if those perceptions are inaccurate).
The community actually does a reasonably good job at managing its own trolls, and I personally hope that moderators show a great deal of restraint in locking threads, deleting threads, etc. -- including the ones I don't like or consider trollish. We are for the most part adults, and treating us like children is just going to make us more likely to act like children. This is not intended as a criticism of anyone, just an observation that I hope will be considered.
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To address Rill's concerns and those who've echoed them, I understand what you are saying and will always do my best to be fair in any matter that requires moderation. I'm not looking to remove content that has value to the community. But I also don't think it is too much to ask that everyone act in a civil manner when dealing with one another (and with me). And as you say, this has been primarily the case already so I don't see this as much of a change.
@The_Dude Having rules with relation to conduct should not have an effect on PVP gameplay. As SC said, every game has these sorts of rules, PVP or not. They are mostly just guidelines for common decency and exist to prevent disagreements from escalating into full blown harassment.
And again, the rules are not up for debate though I am happy to continue to answer any questions with relation to them, preferably in private message or email.
Thanks
-Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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(EOM) Harry
Forum Warrior
Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Status: Offline Points: 283 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 18:08 |
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Just to be sure, playful banter between "in-game friend" is acceptable. I.E i can call Rill an "idiot" if it is in a joking situation. Am i right?
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Fool's watch the land when the problem is in the heart.
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GM Luna
New Poster
Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Location: Illyriad Status: Offline Points: 2042 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 18:11 |
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@Harry Just use common sense, please. I can't really take the time to go through an endless back and forth of "what if" scenarios with everyone. I'd never get anything else done. :)
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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(EOM) Harry
Forum Warrior
Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Status: Offline Points: 283 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 18:13 |
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Yeah, i know i'm just making sure. I just don't want to start getting pinged for something that is taken out of context on GC where it was actually in good humour.
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Fool's watch the land when the problem is in the heart.
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Kilotov of DokGthung
Postmaster
Joined: 07 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 723 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 18:57 |
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to the new GM
well this community is already a living thing that has his own rules and culture.
and the community is proud of it.
try to change this culture will do no good to anyone.
instead of forcing things on us, discuss whit us.
try to work whit the flow instead of against it.
and by the way, we did not really need any community manager to begin whit.
about the private mail and PM stuff...
no way. we, the community demand transparency.
so please dont refuse public debate. things explained behind PM are always shady and untrustworthy in illy.. do things in front of everyone's eye.
this is part of the culture here.
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Tordenkaffen
Postmaster
Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 821 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 19:20 |
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Or do as a large part of Illyriad do daily. Just ignore the people with bad attitudes. Works fine.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 19:44 |
(EOM) Harry wrote:
Just to be sure, playful banter between "in-game friend" is acceptable. I.E i can call Rill an "idiot" if it is in a joking situation. Am i right?
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At your own peril, Harry.
At your own peril.
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Koragg
Greenhorn
Joined: 24 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 67 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 20:44 |
GM Stormcrow wrote:
If you ever find yourself thinking "I wonder if this breaks any of the laws of the United Kingdom?" or "I wonder if this constitutes acceptable behaviour" or "I wonder if the GMs will get angry with me for saying X?" then you're probably on the wrong side of acceptable behaviour and the code of conduct already.
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Actually, my concern is quite the opposite. I'm afraid of the definitions being 'too' loose and that something that is otherwise of no special problem could be interpreted by what IS written down as being against the ToC.
For example, "
posts of a sexually explicit, inflammatory or violently threatening nature". If I were to tell someone "I'm sending an army to kill all your military units." that would be violently threatening, because I'm engaging a military action and killing people. Yes, the intent is violent threats TO THE PLAYER's person, and not the in game civilians, but that's not what's written.
The problem here is that you'll get petitions from armchair lawyers who'll say "He did this and this is against the ToC" and yet they're really harmless (Kiltov's signature, for example, which alludes to kidnapping). And yet if you ignore the petition saying 'oh this is harmless' then you'll be accused of not following the letter of your own ToC.
GM_LUNA wrote:
@Harry Just use common sense, please. |
Albert Einstein is quoted as saying "Common sense is a collection of predjudices aquited by age 18." The inference there is that everyone's 'common sense' is different, and therefore, not really very common at all
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Kurfist
Postmaster
Joined: 14 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 824 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 20:46 |
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What about my avatar where a fat kid is being hit by bullets? by an actor whos name i forget?
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Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2396 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 20:47 |
Koragg, I have long contended that only thing common about common sense is that it is unique to each person. :)
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