Quarantine lifted

Weeeell, if that is so then one could say that if ABSA wasn't losing then it should have proceeded to try throwing stones as well instead of calling on others, but that is not the point. 

As you said this example has mistakes and I raise that statement to "every example has mistakes". In this case though, I didn't create the example to give a small recount of some of the aspects of this war, but to give an example of why what Jasche said in his last sentence is wrong.

Meaning that you do not need a "   defined power structure" in order to force someone into action, and I think that the example I presented is a good case of that.

So, taking into consideration that an accurate representation of the happenings in this war was not my point in the first place, I believe that your pointers might hold some value and would have made a nice discussion, but it wasn't my point in the first place to argue about them. :)  

Hora wrote: Consone was founded as defensive group of alliances.

Yeah, like most such coallitions things start with the credo "let us gather round and protect our interests better" ... then, someone invariably thinks that "offense is the best defense" and the rest is usually history ... 

Hora wrote: Most Consone alliances only joined in after H? took this to the level of "down with this group, as they might grow stronger than us".

Well, I do not share that view and iirc the facts do not support it, but I am not known for my good memory in order to argue more on that other than stating that I never got that impression so far.

A smal fact from the public diplomacy screen : 

War	Harmless? [H?]	Skeleton Boar [SkB]	14 Oct 2012 16:28	0
War	Harmless? [H?]	Victrix [VICX]	14 Oct 2012 16:10	0
War	Harmless? [H?]	Worlds End [WE]	14 Oct 2012 05:31	0
War	Harmless? [H?]	Dwarven Druids [Druid]	13 Oct 2012 22:55	0
War	Harmless? [H?]	Lords of Frost [Frost]	13 Oct 2012 22:52	0
War	Harmless? [H?]	MORITURI EAGLES [EE]	13 Oct 2012 22:49	0
War	Absaroke [Absa]	Harmless? [H?]	13 Oct 2012 03:21	0
War	Invictus [VIC]	Harmless? [H?]

I think that speaks of itself.  So at the start of this war Harmless? only declared war to the alliances hitting RHY so what you say does not to be true ... but let us not turn this into a "who started it" thread because it is imho a bit pointless ... 

I can't agree with you. If you join a group, stating from the start, that you would join in defending each other, that's choice number one. Noone forced you to do so. If that action arrives, and you are asked, if you want to join in, it's your choice, too. If you say no, you would only contradict the choice you made before. That's the only obstacle in there. Finally, if you decide you want to leave (in this case due to heavy losses), and noone forces you to stay in, why would this contradict free will? Free will is to take the consequences. For Roads, joining Consone and staying for some fighting had the consequence to loose some towns. Now, the choice of leaving the fight has the consequence of fullfilling any peace treaty you worked out. It won't have consequences from any Consone alliance, as we still regard them as friends. Thus I'll further use "Free will", especially in a anonymous browser game!

Edited by Deranzin - 28 Nov 2012 at 14:49

Noone claimed otherwise (if you think I did, read my post better) ... you do realize though that with what you say, if anyone ever accuses H? for forcing any alliance out of the war, anyone could just point them to your post and simply say "hey Harmless? did nothing ! they chose peace on their own free will !" disregarding any reasons for their choice and any factors that played a part on this decision. 

Also, on the underlined part, despite the "OMG!!! meter" exploding, I let it slide in the first post, but really you are writting this as if you had a choice to the matter and you are letting them go peacefully on Consone's "free will" and you expect a cookie for it ... but any sane person should wonder how many alliances would have stopped participating in this war if you started turning upon your ex-confederates simply because they decided that they do not want to fight anymore and what would have been the result to your side's morale .?. (*)

The answer is obvious.

Plus, Nesse, posting as Odd, is still the head of Druids who are still in the war, so not striking/berating alliances containing at least some of your alts does not give you any extra credit for good manners.

(*)
(Hint hint : Real life example WWII and Italy bailing out on Germany wheraupon Germany started attacking the Italians ... they won that skirmish, but we all know how much that idea helped them in the war overall) 

EDIT : 

And I forgot this ! 

Hora wrote:   ...*switches on automatic repeater* ...ct, Mutual Defense Pact, Mutual Defense Pact, Mutual Def... *switches of repeater*

NATO is a mutual defence pact, as well ... how many times it has actually defended itself, I wonder ...