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The_Dude 
Postmaster General
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 Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:08 |
 Hora wrote:
TD, most Consone alliances will be at peace as soon as H? and allies cease attacks.
Having no attacks running by our side, feel free to stop your attacks, too
And Consone definitelly won't let you decide, which structure to choose. We don't ask you to change your alliance to e.g. constituitive monarchy neither...
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Yep. Exactly the fatal flaw of consone.
All consone make peace or no consone make peace.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:13 |
The_Dude wrote:
[QUOTE=Hora]TD
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And Consone definitelly won't let you decide...
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 I wanna decide!
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hellion19
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:31 |
The_Dude wrote:
Hora wrote:
TD, most Consone alliances will be at peace as soon as H? and allies cease attacks.
Having no attacks running by our side, feel free to stop your attacks, too
And Consone definitelly won't let you decide, which structure to choose. We don't ask you to change your alliance to e.g. constituitive monarchy neither...
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Yep. Exactly the fatal flaw of consone.
All consone make peace or no consone make peace.
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And sadly there is no central authority in Consone to make such a promise. As explained in your other thread. This ultimately leads to empty promises and thoughts of random leaders that can't speak for anyone but their own alliance. Funny how that works?
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Aurordan
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:37 |
The_Dude wrote:
Consone had a chance to present a leader in the thread I started a couple of days ago. Consone explicitly rejected the concept of a leader.
Each consone alliance must now make its own peace with all opposing alliances individually.
Good luck!
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Because they don't have one single player leading them, they must not be able to coordinate even slightly? I get that they pissed you off somehow(all the angry faces made it hard to miss), but I don't think anyone's buying this.
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hellion19
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:41 |
Aurordan wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
Consone had a chance to present a leader in the thread I started a couple of days ago. Consone explicitly rejected the concept of a leader.
Each consone alliance must now make its own peace with all opposing alliances individually.
Good luck!
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Because they don't have one single player leading them, they must not be able to coordinate even slightly? I get that they pissed you off somehow(all the angry faces made it hard to miss), but I don't think anyone's buying this.
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It takes someone to speak for Consone in order to promise something from Consone. Otherwise as they mentioned since all parts of Consone act as individuals then it would require each individual to actually make peace. This means that in order to make a peace agreement that everyone in Consone would have to speak for itself.
Its hard to say Consone speaks as one group when its convenient then claim its not true when its not convenient. If you read TD's thread it tells you that is roughly how Consone operates (as individual alliances with a central defensive agreement)... means that each that declared war would also have to come to the conclusion to end said war also.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:50 |
Aurordan wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
Consone had a chance to present a leader in the thread I started a couple of days ago. Consone explicitly rejected the concept of a leader.
Each consone alliance must now make its own peace with all opposing alliances individually.
Good luck!
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Because they don't have one single player leading them, they must not be able to coordinate even slightly? I get that they pissed you off somehow(all the angry faces made it hard to miss), but I don't think anyone's buying this.
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You don't need to buy anything Aurodan. This not something for sale. This is something that is happening.
^^^ not an angry face.
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Aurordan
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 06:58 |
hellion19 wrote:
It takes someone to speak for Consone in order to promise something from Consone. |
There's no reason they can't be represented by multiple people, or agree on terms among themselves.
hellion19 wrote:
Otherwise as they mentioned since all parts of Consone act as individuals then it would require each individual to actually make peace.
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There is absolutely no reason for this to be true. More than likely, what will happen will be that all alliances on both sides end up with the same peace. This is the logical outcome even if there was no direct confederacy, because nobody wants their friends left on the field.
hellion19 wrote:
This means that in order to make a peace agreement that everyone in Consone would have to speak for itself.
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Not at all. As I said, negotiations will almost certainly be collective.
hellion19 wrote:
Its hard to say Consone speaks as one group when its convenient then claim its not true when its not convenient. If you read TD's thread it tells you that is roughly how Consone operates (as individual alliances with a central defensive agreement)... means that each that declared war would also have to come to the conclusion to end said war also.
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I have no interest in searching for and reading every thread from this war front to back. It would drive me mad as a gnoll. As stated above, yes, Consone will likely act as a confederation and leave the war all together.
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hellion19
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 07:05 |
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@Auro
Thats all fine and good... but again it does require someone to speak for it or they will otherwise speak as individuals. Someone has to say while also having the actual authority to do so and say that this confed believes this "XXXXXXX" otherwise with no one able to do so then its EE says this "XXXXX", VIC says "XXXXX", etc.
Lets just say that EE feels compensation needs to be paid for this war to end (likely not their belief at this point just an example) while VIC states that they are done with it and no longer wish to fight. Absa feels they have been wronged after losing X cities and want to pay the opposing side back? Which route do you take? Would RHY/H?/etc side have to appease each of those... and if not who can make the decision for the course that the entire side makes?
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HATHALDIR
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Location: Adelaide
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 07:19 |
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Anyone from H? who has posted here, we extend olive branch, do you want to talk? Talk to J
PS i am not registered to H? embassy, don't need another window for this game.
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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deorasandeep
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 07:56 |
hellion19 wrote:
@Auro
Thats all fine and good... but again it does require someone to speak for it or they will otherwise speak as individuals. Someone has to say while also having the actual authority to do so and say that this confed believes this "XXXXXXX" otherwise with no one able to do so then its EE says this "XXXXX", VIC says "XXXXX", etc.
Lets just say that EE feels compensation needs to be paid for this war to end (likely not their belief at this point just an example) while VIC states that they are done with it and no longer wish to fight. Absa feels they have been wronged after losing X cities and want to pay the opposing side back? Which route do you take? Would RHY/H?/etc side have to appease each of those... and if not who can make the decision for the course that the entire side makes?
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