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Grieves 
New Poster
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 2 |
 Topic: Phoenix Alliance.
Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 20:18 |
Edited by Grieves - 15 Sep 2010 at 15:48
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44 |
Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 03:21 |
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I have the highest hopes for PX's stated mission of turning a new leaf and becoming an advocate for honor and integrity.
However, so long as those who willingly cooperated with Tubana's coersions are high ranking members of PX, I can't help being suspicious.
If PX cares about little ole me and my trust - and it's ok if they don't, it's not like I am large enough to threaten any but the smaller members with whom I have no beef - then those people who are no less guilty than Tubana himself will publicly admit the wrongs they have done against me and FoF and apologize for those wrongs. DarthVader98, UrzakFrostgard, Skorn, Jezma, The-Dude, Rupe: Here is your chance to prove you are more honorable than your previous actions imply. You can fess up and apologize, gaining the respect and trust of the community, You can ignore me totally and keep the community wondering and suspicious, or you can return to your old ways and attempt to crush this annoying little fly who dares publicly call out the mighty PX and thereby reveal to those who destroyed MK that PX is just MK rebadged. The choice is yours.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 29 Aug 2010 at 03:22
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Laccy
Greenhorn
Joined: 26 Apr 2010
Location: Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 56 |
Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 08:00 |
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Ivorich gets +1 Internets!
Edited by Laccy - 29 Aug 2010 at 08:00
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Grieves
New Poster
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 2 |
Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 08:05 |
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Edited by Grieves - 15 Sep 2010 at 15:44
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1650 |
Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 23:13 |
Heck, I wish my alliance would demote me. But there's no way I'll get off that easily.
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fluffy
Forum Warrior
Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 335 |
Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 23:46 |
 HonoredMule wrote:
Heck, I wish my alliance would demote me. But there's no way I'll get off that easily. |
YDIY :P
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Shrapnel
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 180 |
Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 15:40 |
Grieves wrote:
...and Tubana's cities were razed.
PX is a new alliance as I explained... |
Razed by PX themselves. Doesn't sound like you're all that new to me.
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 00:24 |
Grieves wrote:
...I have no intention of opening a debate on MK actions of old.
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Nor do I. I am giving an opportunity to those who participated in those actions to publicly denounce them. You could contend that by joining PX, and agreeing to PX rules, they have done so. I, and perhaps others, would contend that accepting these war criminals without requiring a public confession and denouncement appears that PX is condoning...tacitly, if not actively, the actions of those individuals.
Grieves wrote:
As I re-iterated MK is dead and Tubana's cities were razed.
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Yes, but there were others involved as well. Will they also be punished as Tubana was, or will they be given a free pass without any scrutiny from the community?
Grieves wrote:
...I agree you have your rights to be suspicious,...
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Thank you. And I am offering an opportunity for those who cause those suspicions to allay them. Of course, as I stated previously, this request can be ignored, but doing so will not hasten the acceptance of PX claims to be different.
Grieves wrote:
... however your information about high ranking members of PX is somewhat misguided and out of date, indeed 3 of those stated are either not with us anymore...
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Indeed, It appears I inadvertantly excluded the wrong 3. I'll amend that shortly
Grieves wrote:
... or under new ownership...
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Then they should have no problem publicly denouncing the actions of the accounts' previous owners.
Grieves wrote:
...and others have no place on the council so ...
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Touche'
Grieves wrote:
...I would suggest you judge PX by their actions of the future.
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I'll be most happy to do so. Which is why I am asking for a
future denouncement of past misdeeds by those individuals who commited them.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 31 Aug 2010 at 03:05
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 00:49 |
Grieves wrote:
...indeed 3 of those stated are either not with us anymore or under new ownership...
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They must all three be under new ownership because there is no one on the list which I quote below who is not now listed on the PX roster. And, as I pointed out previously, if these accounts are under new ownership, certainly the new owners would be happy to publicly disassociate themselves from the previous crimes of the previous owners. In fact; I overlooked a name and will correct that below!
However; It is necessary for me to first point out that Jezma has contacted me privately and we have come to a mutual understanding. While it wasnt the public apology for which I ask, she gave strong reasons for not doing so and I have accepted both her reasons and other content which cannot be divulged.
Out of respect for her wishes and her right to privacy, I cannot reveal any more details concerning our private conversation.
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
...those people who are no less guilty than Tubana himself will publicly admit the wrongs they have done...
DarthVader98, UrzakFrostgard, Skorn,
Jezma
, The-Dude, Rupe:
Here is your chance to prove you are more honorable than your previous actions imply....
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Below is an updated list of those PX members who have co-conspired with Tubana in the past, and have yet to denounce said co-operation.
DarthVader98,
UrzkaKeFrostgard
Duckofnormandy
Skorn
The_Dude
Rupe
For reasons stated above and in previous posts, it is my opinion that in order to avoid the appearance of tacit approval, a future apology should be made.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 31 Aug 2010 at 00:53
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 2224 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 17:51 |
Shrapnel wrote:
Grieves wrote:
...and Tubana's cities were razed.
PX is a new alliance as I explained... |
Razed by PX themselves. Doesn't sound like you're all that new to me.
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Shrap-- Not all of the cities were raised by PX (eg. New Tubanania)...
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