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Originally posted by Darkwords Darkwords wrote:

 
edit: not to mention the FACT that this happened after Kumo made that claim and threatened to exterminate accounts on our side, which as you should know has generally been accepted as approval for us to do the same to you.  There was even a forum vote on it.


Your own side made the forum vote and that your "interpretation" of that post ... since when that is a fact .?. LOL

Simple fact :
You have exterminated accounts (more than one) and whether those where well-defended or not is immaterial since it does not alter that fact in ANY way.

You want to disprove my point .?. FIND PROOF of the contrary ... spins and excuses "like he said that" or "I understood this" are neither "proof" nor facts in any reasonable argument. Whether you had enough reasons and justification in doing what you did DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS.

So, you want to argue that what you did was somehow ok or needed .?. That is reasonable and I will gladly read your reasoning.
But calling FACTS as "BS claims" then this is not a dialogue but a make belief sermon and it is unreasonable to begin with.

That is my 5 cents. I have nothing else to add to this topic ...

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Originally posted by Auraya Auraya wrote:

Casualties are a part of warfare. I have a lot of respect for people who continue to play despite having their accounts reduced to dust. Kudos to them! 


Sure they are and indeed those people deserve at least some respect instead of that "hey we didn't do it" mentality that is presented here.


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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by Darkwords Darkwords wrote:

 
edit: not to mention the FACT that this happened after Kumo made that claim and threatened to exterminate accounts on our side, which as you should know has generally been accepted as approval for us to do the same to you.  There was even a forum vote on it.


Your own side made the forum vote and that your "interpretation" of that post ... since when that is a fact .?. LOL


The FACT is that we had not done it b4 your great leader sanctioned it in his forum post, anyone can go look for his thread titled 'rules' and see that for a fact.   You know this yourself, so I do not see why you keep claiming to the contrary.

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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


Simple fact :
You have exterminated accounts (more than one) and whether those where well-defended or not is immaterial since it does not alter that fact in ANY way.


I never claimed we had not, merely that Kumo tried to put us in a bad light b4 we had done.  that is the SIMPLE FACT so why are you trying to claim otherwise?

If you consider us bad for destroying a few accounts so far (after such action was sanctioned by your own leader), how do you rate your own alliance for all the accounts that it has destroyed over the years? Or for the fact it was your leader who approved such action in this war (see Kumo's Rules post [again])

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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


You want to disprove my point .?. FIND PROOF of the contrary ... spins and excuses "like he said that" or "I understood this" are neither "proof" nor facts in any reasonable argument. Whether you had enough reasons and justification in doing what you did DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS.


Yes and anyone with half a brain cell can see it is you that is constantly spinning this issue.  The facts do not change, they do not need to, because you will not address them

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


So, you want to argue that what you did was somehow ok or needed .?. That is reasonable and I will gladly read your reasoning.
But calling FACTS as "BS claims" then this is not a dialogue but a make belief sermon and it is unreasonable to begin with.


All that is unreasonable is your inability to address the simple fact that I raised in the first place, and your frankly childish dodging of the issue, that your leader stated we have exterminated accounts b4 we had done.

Please explain how that make what I posted wrong in anyway???

Also will you actually address the main point in my post (that you decided to delete from your quotes) about the insults thrown at us by your leader and his inability  to respond to any questions raised about his own posts here, this is what annoys me much more

That is my 5 cents. I have nothing else to add to this topic ...

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Originally posted by Auraya Auraya wrote:

Casualties are a part of warfare. I have a lot of respect for people who continue to play despite having their accounts reduced to dust. Kudos to them! 


Sure they are and indeed those people deserve at least some respect instead of that "hey we didn't do it" mentality that is presented here.
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Just thought I would put this back here after derenzin burying it.

Originally posted by Darkwords Darkwords wrote:

Yeah the hatred is pretty bad, what with those posts eluding to a certain group of players being Nazis. 

Not to mention the BS claims of us 'exterminating accounts'.

edit:  I just wish a certain player had the common decency to respond when his claims were brought into question, rather than having his alliance friends post on the forum in an attempt to bury those questions.
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Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

 Since this is a unique game that style of gameplay would ruin the player base and slowly, but surely, end the game. It takes a long time for slow games to die a slow death. 

Sir, I respectfully disagree with your statement about a slow death in Illy.

Let me quote if you don't mind a famous Roman stoïc philosopher, Seneca the Younger:

Urbes constituit aetas, hora dissolvit 
Lifetime builds up cities, a single hour ruins them.

The reason I am bringing this up is that I maintain there will be  a pain threshold (like in  any other war, whether fantasy or real) beyond which - and provided  hopefully that players  get some wise guidance from their leadership -  it will no longer make any sense for the losers (as a community of players) to keep on fighting.

This statement obviously takes nothing away from the hardcore few that still prefer to loose all what they built over the years in the very best "Alamo" style.

Let me end with another quote that means a lot to me personally and to our alliance Invictus:

"Salus populi suprema lex esto."
Let the welfare of the people be the supreme law.

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Edited by Tatharion - 05 Jan 2014 at 18:43
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Guys, can we maybe tone down the abuse of bold, italics, caps, underline, and large text? Also please use the quote tags properly, and preview your posts. Despite various Internet fables, making your

text REALLY BiG

does not actually make it more persuasive. I know the forums aren't exactly the Fortress of Grammer* (TM), but we are nearing the precipice of multicolored flashing text. Let's all just back away slowly and resume slinging mud in the usual neutral toned standard fonts.

* Irony intended by egregiously misspelling grammar.
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Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

Guys, can we maybe tone down the abuse of bold, italics, caps, underline, and large text? Also please use the quote tags properly, and preview your posts. Despite various Internet fables, making your

text REALLY BiG

does not actually make it more persuasive. I know the forums aren't exactly the Fortress of Grammer* (TM), but we are nearing the precipice of multicolored flashing text. Let's all just back away slowly and resume slinging mud in the usual neutral toned standard fonts.

* Irony intended by egregiously misspelling grammar.

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Originally posted by jcx jcx wrote:

there's a strategical reason why most alliance prefer to lose cities outside the fortress/region rather than helping those player out. Not unless you have millions of troops to send abroad and fight.

The best way a player can do is - exo his cities inside the fortress and rebuild.

Thoughts from the sidelines. :|

Then the alliance should encourage the player to exodus to their region or drop out of the war if he or she doesn't want to get caught in the outer fringes.
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All I have to say: nobody really understand H?

I think no one really understands any alliance. Or any player for that matter. It is kinda silly to claim that only one side is misunderstood.

That being said, how do you feel that your side is misunderstood? How could I understand you better? (This could be answered by anyone and should perhaps belong in its own thread.)

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Then the alliance should encourage the player to exodus to their region or drop out of the war if he or she doesn't want to get caught in the outer fringes.


Its optional since exoing with lots of troops inside will cost you a lot. Dropping out from the war is optional too - but if you do - prolly your leaders will kill if you. :D
Disclaimer: The above is jcx|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

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Originally posted by jcx jcx wrote:

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Then the alliance should encourage the player to exodus to their region or drop out of the war if he or she doesn't want to get caught in the outer fringes.


Its optional since exoing with lots of troops inside will cost you a lot. Dropping out from the war is optional too - but if you do - prolly your leaders will kill if you. :D


Not if you are on our side.

All players should be free to surrender from the war if that is what they wish, I have heard some rumor of a certain alliance threatening its members to not surrender, however if someone is under such itinerant threats from some insane leader they should let the other side know, so as protection can be offered as part of the surrender terms.
<Deranzin> I'd agree with darkone on that

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