Peace Offer Rejected

i understand that Shade has offered peace to certain players, and that it has been rejected. i do not know the terms or the circumstances, but the particulars seem inappropriate to discuss in forum anyway. i must asssume that KillerPoodle means by "atrocities" some offence against the H? rules of engagement, but it seems well-established from prior conversations and prior wars that a player who declines to surrender remains in the conflict.

in an attempt to turn this thread into a fruitful discussion...what should be the fate of an opponent who refuses surrender even after his/her army is destroyed?

Angrim wrote: i understand that Shade has offered peace to certain players, and that it has been rejected. i do not know the terms or the circumstances, but the particulars seem inappropriate to discuss in forum anyway. i must asssume that KillerPoodle means by "atrocities" some offence against the H? rules of engagement, but it seems well-established from prior conversations and prior wars that a player who declines to surrender remains in the conflict. in an attempt to turn this thread into a fruitful discussion...what should be the fate of an opponent who refuses surrender even after his/her army is destroyed?

* The two exceptions being where: 1. the person is mentally unbalanced or unhealthy, or 2. where a player is engaged in lying to other players above the game (notably in chat), because that is spiritually unhealthy.[/QUOTE]

Angrim wrote: i understand that Shade has offered peace to certain players, and that it has been rejected.

That was my point. No actual peace offer was been made merely a bunch of questions asked - as per usual from The Duke. 

I replied that if he was serious about not wanting to destroy those accounts then he could demonstrate it by his actions since I do not trust his words. 

He chose to continue to destroy them and try to pass the blame onto me.

Epidemic wrote: I don't understand how you can claim its just a game, get over it and have fun, and then claim spying is a bad thing.

I can answer that from my own perspective. I view Illyriad as a beer and peanuts soccer league. A little trash talking between teams is natural. You will have some huggy-huggy players, a few people who are a little over competitive for a casual league, and a majority of people who just enjoy socializing with their team and staying in shape.

It would be very strange in such a context to convince one of your friends to join another team in your league for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence on them. That would just be weird. You're going to practice with them, play with them, socialize with them for weeks or months, for the rather perverse purpose of sabotaging their soccer team? It would be distasteful in a professional context, but for a beer and peanuts league? You would require some serious personal issues to do that.

Alliance and global chat are the socializing part of the experience. Yes, they happen in the context of a game, but the interactions you have there are between real people, not through the proxy of digital bits. It's easy to de-humanize people through the Internet, but that doesn't make it acceptable. Lying can provide an advantage in many real life games, even when the lying happens around the game. That doesn't make lying and misrepresentation "part of the game", it just means that people are willing to engage in unsportsmanlike conduct to gain an advantage in a game, which itself is a rather sad commentary on the importance placed in winning over people.