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Points: 915 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 13:17
people shouldnt attack special needs people, remember we all live in glass houses and remember for some people this game has taken  has taken over their real life, just be thankful they not on your real neighborhood enforcement committees 
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Originally posted by Sisren Sisren wrote:

Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by invictusa invictusa wrote:

I cant speak for my alliance, but there are those willing to help militarily or otherwise to defend the justification of cleansing the game of a mindset that diminishes the progress of Elgea.

Will look forward to the Steel + GC punks/trolls vs. NC + forward thinking players conflict

Are you actually suggesting that attacking someone diminishes the "progress" (What does that even mean?) of Elgea?

invictusa can correct me, but I believe they mean the undeclared war part of it.  If NC wanted to issue a fight, then they should have just issued it and not dance about the room ignoring the elephant.

The loss of progress being that we don't tend to wage undeclared wars in Illyriad, like in other games.

Huh.   I read it as him saying that STEEL (ans the punks/trolls) were diminishing the progress of the game, and that NC was forward thinking.  Same offer though.  

Incidentally, while methods of war declaration may vary in Illy, I don't think I've played any game where declarations are much less clear(and then only due to game mechanics), and several where declarations where much clearer and more eloquent.  

Again, I do not speak on behalf of anyone but myself.  I absolutely despise the sheep of GC that have their little cool points based on how often you log there and spout the mindless GC drivel amongst the fellow "Face of Illy" and the weight that bullsh*t carries across many of the alliances.  Look at GC on any given day and you will be able to point out no more than one or two non-....

Furthermore, I feel the object of an alliance wishing to do harm to another for any reason is not the business of the "community" stated above if it does not directly interfere with their confederates.

Yes NC was a bunch of dumbsh*ts for stating there actions and there aim.  But I find it admirable as well.

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Rill alluded to something along these lines, but there seems to be a sort of paradigm shift in your argument for these diplomatic attacks.
 
Originally posted by The Electrocutioner The Electrocutioner wrote:

We are attacking Steel because they deserve it. And, we happen to enjoy it. But we would never attack anyone simply for pleasure alone. Gim has worked hard over a long period of time to find people to attack us. (As long as it's not himself or his alliance!) Since he wanted the fight so badly, we decided to bring it to him.
 
You lose me here. We went from Gim deserving it (and a long list of reasons why) to all of Steel deserving it and no readily apparent reasons.
 
Originally posted by The Electrocutioner The Electrocutioner wrote:

Gim grew Steel on the premise of being strong enough to stand up to Consone. Really? They can't even stand up for  themselves! Anyone who joined Steel wanting to be a part of building something big and strong has been duped. It does not matter how many join or how many sister alliances they have - a weak leader means a weak alliance.
 
Is this that reasoning? His players were "duped," so they deserve to be attacked? Interesting. 
 
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Originally posted by The Electrocutioner The Electrocutioner wrote:

They can't even stand up for  themselves!

If this is indeed the case, then these so called attacks that you heard through the grapevine that Steel was in cahoots to send wouldn't have been that big a deal for you, right? Obviously the next step is to attack the entire alliance preemptively because you have qualms with its leader(ship)? Why not just attack the leader(ship) and see who joined in?
 
Also, is the irony lost on you that the reason that Aesir/TLR mess started was because one alliance had a problem with the leader of another? You opposed that decision then but then decide to make it here? I'm in Aesir, and candidly, I'm not privy to whatever conversations are being held to justify these decisions, but that seemed to be the overarching theme. Feel free to correct me if NC's motivations were different.
 
In addition, the community generated massive backlash against Aesir's actions, yet it seems everyone's just whipped out the popcorn for this one.  People (rightfully) ripped on Aesir for attacking small players in that conflict as well; none of that going on here. I could care less about how this turns out and take a very "Rill-ian" neutrality to it all, but this level of hypocrisy is beyond laughable. All those alliances claiming they stood up "tyranny" have gone awkwardly silent. 
 
If anything, you guys deserve an award for putting on that sheep's clothing and convincing everyone that this is a) somehow different and b) somehow justified. Bravo.
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Points: 1013 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 14:50
Kudos to NC for posting this, and for playing the game. 

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hmmmmm, there's a lot of  Censored in all these pages, way to much  Censored for me to comment on all of it effectively. So I'll just ask one question and make a few comments.
  Where's TLR now? Since NC helped them, it's only fair that TLR helps NC out in their time of need. Oh and I suppose we could throw ~KV~ in there as well and BSH was also said to be against Aesir. So in my opinion all of those alliances should jump on the side of the fence NC is on. They believed NC did the right thing in the Aesir/TLR war, so they can't be wrong.

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Points: 2042 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 15:22
Discussion finished. No more cursing and name calling. Thank you.

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