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Brandmeister 
Postmaster General   Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396 |
 Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 19:59 |
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Population produces the gold to support troops. I'd bet that both sides have massive stockpiles of gold, so upkeep is only a long term factor. However, city size also supports sovereignty, and military sovereignty builds troops. BANE is #14 for lands, and NC is #16. That seems pretty equal to me. All the numbers I've seen indicate that this is a punching match between two equally sized opponents, for both population and deployed sovereignty. Both are military oriented alliances. Both sides participated in the escalation to this point, and neither seems inclined to back down. I don't see BANE or NC crying on this thread or anywhere else, and I don't really expect to see that, because they've both got reputations as tough guys. I think it's fine that BANE got Insanity Inc. to join them. I think it's fine that NC recruited some big tough friends of their own. I think it's fine that DARK is joining the fight. And when the next set of warriors joins NC, then BANE, then NC, ad nauseam, I will think that's fine as well. It's a punching match, so it seems likely to get settled by punching. |
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| twilights
Postmaster   Joined: 21 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 915 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 20:00 |
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someone hurry up...i want to watch glee and later i want to go shopping...opps thats real life...i hope u guys have big gonads...i got plenty of tricks to try...and by the way...i fear no alliance in this game....its time others start feeling the same...they can be brought down if we work together! make them cry and whimper and we can do it!...lets us do the spin and make them pool boys...grins
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| Halcyon
Forum Warrior   Joined: 17 Aug 2012 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 360 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 20:26 |
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There, you see, I couldn't stay away...
I WANT TO SEE GLEE TOO 
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| DeathDealer89
Postmaster Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 944 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 20:28 |
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You messed up on your own timeline. According to your original post
1) Bane got reinforced 23-25 June
2) NC waited until 27 June-10 Aug to get reinforced.
3) Bane got reinforced some more 20-21 Aug
4) NC got reinforced some more 22-23 Aug
5) ??? Dark sees that NC got reinforced and decided that it isn't ok. And that they would 'react' to reinforcements by further reinforcing Bane. All the while claiming they don't want to 'escalate.'
6) Everyone sees Dark a 3rd party decide to jump with Bane and sees that as open invitation.
7) Fun :D :D :D .... Err I mean 'dreadful war' :(
I'm with twilights lets all go do some good old fashioned warfare :D Knowing the devs once it happens tourney!
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| Janosch
Wordsmith  Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 22:30 |
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LOL
Good one!
How was that about the escalation of the H? – CONSONE war? Wasn’t one crucial argument that a CONSONE alliance was (more or less unprovoked) attacking RHY members occupying the well-known trove-mine claimed by SkB (a non-CONSONE alliance)? And the rest of CONSONE members started to attack RHY (sieging) armies when RHY retaliated…
In this case we might have a different situation. II and BANE were negotiating about merging. I am not entirely sure about the cause of the BANE – NC war. Angrim mentioned something above:
“I remember all of this being about an NS player "surrounded" by BANE sov, but as BANE thereafter removed the offending sov, it seems clear there is more going on than that. i am long resigned that NC fights when and whom it wants to.”
I would really like to hear more about the reason of this war and I heard others claim that the attack of NC on BANE was unprovoked. When you are about to merge anyway and your partner is under unprovoked attack is it right to join the war? And II-players joined BANE… If the attack was unprovoked and NC members picked on BANE, I think it is reasonable to call for friends. But recently rather NC got help (appart from II). TCol intervened against II members to force those in BANE back to II. A successful intervention that did not stop II members from returning to BANE. And now NC is reinforced by their friends?
Under these assumptions, I find the issue DARK takes about it and creating this threat quite reasonable. So please someone clarify who started this war.
Happy fighting :) I am sure someone will correct me, if I have overlooked something... |
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| Deranzin
Postmaster  Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 845 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 22:55 |
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There is nothing wrong in bringing along friends to help you ... you just shouldn't nag afterwards when those friends do not seem enough for you to win. In the case you refer, if SkB and Rhy (let us not get to whom called who first, that war has ended) had been left alone to deal with their conflict then the whole thing would have been just a good skirmish only between those two alliances. Instead, a huge mess ensued and people found many many other reasons to fight, over and beyond the original ones. So, when people start calling on others, things get muddled and unpredictable and the original conflict becomes insignificant in comparison ... so, to sum it up, I have absolutely NO IDEA who started it or who is "right or wrong" in that conflict, and considering the amount of bickering in the last war even were the event were fresh and people still spun them around, I do not think that anyone could get the facts out of a 3-month old conflict. The good thing is, I do not have to care about who is right or wrong because it is NOT MY FIGHT. Leave those two alliances alone to hit it out and have their fun ... and if perchance they are not having fun and need help, hey, let them ask for it and speak their cases for themselves Edited by Deranzin - 02 Sep 2013 at 23:00 |
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| Kumomoto
Postmaster General Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2224 |
Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 02:03 |
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Hey Bane-- Can I offer you a really lucrative contract to attack II? ;)
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| Kumomoto
Postmaster General Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2224 |
Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:33 |
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Halcyon-- I have a solution where you can help your friend and not cause WW5...
Why don't you join Bane? As far as I can tell, most of the folks in Dark don't know or have close relationships with anyone at Bane other than you. Then you can support your friend without bringing all the folks who follow you into harms way... I'm pretty sure that other alliances (based upon this thread and conversations I've had) will not become involved in this war besides individual players joining. If they do... well. that's their prerogative isn't it? If alliances pile in, then you can always call upon Dark to help, but I doubt other alliances will... |
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| Kumomoto
Postmaster General Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2224 |
Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:51 |
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And, Halcyon. If folks in Dark want to follow you into Bane, then that's fine. I'm sure NC will recruit more folks to join them...
Then everyone who cares deeply about this war can fight it and we don't have a global war which will only severely hurt all sorts of people who have no interest in being in this fight... |
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| Tamaeon
Wordsmith  Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Location: Centrum Status: Offline Points: 152 |
Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:58 |
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I wonder whether only Janosch acknowledges the fact; that NC wittingly involved TCol in attacking a defenseless alliance
(only traders remained in Insanity Inc allegedly...). Apparently TCol demanded the return of all [II] players from BANE to accept peace.
Judging by the timeline of the events, its apparent that NC continued to bring in reinforcements from other alliances, after they forced the [II] players out of BANE.
I see so many accusations against DARK for supposedly seeking an escalation; extensive criticism of Halcyon's posts; accusing him of spin (in a semantics battle no less; over what could be construed as an escalation...
). And little (if any) acknowledgement for the basic facts:
Given all the fervent condemnation in this thread; I can only assume that I completely missed the discussion; where TCol's involvement in the NC vs. BANE war was thoroughly questioned, and heavily criticized as a deliberate escalation, by all the critics.
Reading this thread has been an absolute joy so far. I would love to know what peace terms have been discussed, and especially on what arguments NC is basing their demand for BANE's surrender.
Also, I have to side with Twilights and Deranzin on this; live and let live should be our guiding principle. If these two parties want to got at it, and involve their friends to any end; it should be entirely up to them! The sentiment expressed in all these nice moralistic arguments, is certainly beautiful but utterly pointless!
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Halcyon wrote:
Same thing with the Consone war ... if the people involved want the conflict to escalate then the method is clear (start calling for more and more help) and it has happened before and really recently. 
