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Diomedes 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 208 |
 Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 03:15 |
Noting that:
1. Halcyon initiated this post because of questions being raised in GC concerning the possibility of DARK entering the war, and
2. That, as Leader of DARK, Halcyon has declared there is no intention of DARK escalating the war,
that seems to answer the questions raised in GC, and if DARK now happened to enter the fray, it would surely reflect on the integrity of DARK's leadership and thereby diminish it.
I can only conclude that there will be no escalation by DARK alliance, and I thank Halcyon for answering the concerns of myself and others.
All other posts here, would seem to me, to be peripheral to the matter raised by Halcyon, and perhaps better suited to another forum thread where we might endless debate the merits or otherwise of the current conflict.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
Status: Offline
Points: 1857 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 04:01 |
 Diomedes wrote:
Noting that:
1. Halcyon initiated this post because of questions being raised in GC concerning the possibility of DARK entering the war, and
2. That, as Leader of DARK, Halcyon has declared there is no intention of DARK escalating the war,
that seems to answer the questions raised in GC, and if DARK now happened to enter the fray, it would surely reflect on the integrity of DARK's leadership and thereby diminish it.
I can only conclude that there will be no escalation by DARK alliance, and I thank Halcyon for answering the concerns of myself and others.
All other posts here, would seem to me, to be peripheral to the matter raised by Halcyon, and perhaps better suited to another forum thread where we might endless debate the merits or otherwise of the current conflict.
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Couldn't he have stated such in GC any time he was asked?
Instead of simply answering questions and declaring his alliance militarily neutral he came to the Forum. He announced that he was demanding (his word) that ~NC~ accept peace without terms and that if they didn't they should at least stop recruiting.
It seems to me that because this thread was started all the posts in it are legitimate and were invited by the very existence of the thread.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Halcyon
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 360 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 04:43 |
DeathDealer89 wrote:
Based on your own post, Bane has added 16 people and NC has added 12.
Thus Bane is actually doing more recruiting from outside the war than NC. Guess you should have made this declaration against Bane rather than against NC. Or you know sit back and watch what was before a pretty simple war between two parties.
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You are counting some of II's former members twice.
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Llyr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 21 Sep 2012
Location: Ontario, Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 267 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:00 |
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Those who are involved in this "war" are there by choice because Illy has provided nothing new for over a year. So just leave them alone and let them play; they're doing their best to do something interesting in a dead game. Those who want to join in can leave their moribund alliance and join in for the fun Those who don't can carry on being bored harvesting grapes. I'm harvesting grapes.
Edited by Llyr - 02 Sep 2013 at 05:07
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The Duke
Forum Warrior
Joined: 22 Jul 2011
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 464 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:10 |
Halcyon wrote:
DeathDealer89 wrote:
Based on your own post, Bane has added 16 people and NC has added 12.
Thus Bane is actually doing more recruiting from outside the war than NC. Guess you should have made this declaration against Bane rather than against NC. Or you know sit back and watch what was before a pretty simple war between two parties.
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You are counting some of II's former members twice. |
To be fair some joined- went back to II regrouped- then joined a 2nd time. All the BS aside tho- You cant stop an alliance from recruiting. You say Bane was low on troops from the tourney, and NC used that against Bane in declaring war. My question is this- If Dark were to enter the fold- would they not be taking advantage of the fact NC has been in a war for 3 months?
If Malek is indeed your RL friend then sure back him up. Enter in the fray. However dont expect to make the rules by doing so(i.e Nobody can recruit, no confeds allowed ect.). When going to war for any reason you dont need to have public support. Everyone has their own agenda whether that means doing whats best for you/your alliance or helping a friend.
Ask yourself if what ppl say in this thread will determine what your course of action will be.
The voices of the mob are louder than their armies 9 times out of 10.
Ive never had someone talk one of my cities into rubble :P
Sure other alliances can pile on- but hey you cant always wait for the devs to make a tourney in order for the game to be fun. Sometimes players NEED a war
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"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."
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DeathDealer89
Postmaster
Joined: 04 Jan 2012
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Points: 944 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:16 |
Halcyon wrote:
You are counting some of II's former members twice. |
My bad 13:12
Same result. Either way it shows Bane is just as guilty of 'recruiting' as NC. Also you may notice this odd trend of all those who joined up with Bane did so before NC got their friends involved.
You could say Bane escalated things by doing such things as getting friends from other alliances involved. Or you know going and asking another alliance to 'demand peace' for them. Its quite clear the only ones escalating are bane and dark.
Guess thats what happens when your losing the war. I say Dark does the same thing they 'demand' of everyone else and stay out of it.
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Kompanion
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 53 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:22 |
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Bottom line for me is this:
Dark is now confederated with Bane, we do not have plans for escalating the war, but are willing to stand by Bane.
Edited by Kompanion - 02 Sep 2013 at 05:23
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Points: 1857 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:47 |
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Is it just me who wonders how an alliance can stand by another without taking action? What does it mean that you have a Confederation with them? What does it mean that you continue to speak for them? What does it mean that you demand unconditional peace from their enemy? Will you stand by and do nothing if they ask you to take action? Will you take no action if they are clearly loosing the war?
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Brandmeister
Postmaster General
Joined: 12 Oct 2012
Location: Laoshin
Status: Offline
Points: 2396 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:48 |
Kompanion wrote:
Bottom line for me is this: Dark is now confederated with Bane, we do not have plans for escalating the war, but are willing to stand by Bane. |
Not to be obtuse, but how do you intend to "stand by Bane" without deploying troops? Because I'm pretty sure that deploying troops would count as an escalation, and that
not deploying troops wouldn't really count as Standing By Bane (TM). Unless there is some kind of subtle middle ground that I'm missing here.
This reminds me of a previous forum debate about, "Breaking sieges for confeds is a
defensive attack, and does not constitute involvement in a war." Interesting theory, but completely unenforceable on your adversaries.
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Kompanion
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 53 |
Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 05:51 |
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I guess I am not going to enter a war of words on here. By that I mean, I don't feel the need to prevail in any argument on the forum.
We didn't seek public opinion for permission to Confed with Bane.
If you are curious, we don't have plans to escalate the war. Halcyon tried to work towards peace.
If other alliances would like to join in against Bane, we would be more than happy to come to the aid of Bane.
It's really only as complicated as you wish to make it.
Edited by Kompanion - 02 Sep 2013 at 05:54
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