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Morphies 
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Joined: 10 Jul 2012
Location: America
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 Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 19:56 |
They closed the other post so i will post my reply here..
From my understanding in all of this ~NC~s reasoning behind these attacks against STEEL is quite immature.. and let me give you a few reasons why that is so..
1) You falsified information saying that we were going to attack you and had it posted in another thread.. you could easily falsify any information just to "justify" your attacks but you can not..
2) you said you heard rumors about us planning to attack you.. It seems your "informant" is either not well informed or is just making it up to give you the excuse to attack us.. There was no talk about STEEL planning an attack.. even when we were being diploed you never crossed our minds of possible attackers.. If we had been planning an attack against ~NC~ then we could have just pointed the finger at you with no proof..
3) You have a problem with Gim so you should have taken it up with GIM.. you attacked people that had nothing to do with your little petty hatred for Gim..
4) You attacked STEEL with NO proof of any of those accusations you previously made..
Now i DO NOT speak for STEEL.. i speak for myself.. They have no knowledge of this..
Another thing.. Do you have any idea why there is politics in games like Illyriad? Its quite simple.. some people are Civil.. politics keeps us from living like barbarians..
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Faenix
Forum Warrior
Joined: 29 Oct 2011
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Points: 283 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 19:59 |
Arakamis, I think what you're missing is that TLR was a spin-out from ~N~. We had a shared history. It wasn't like they were just some random alliance that was being attacked and some other random member of the community joined in. EF was an alliance mate at one point, TLR was originally going to be a ~N~ confederate but due to past history it didn't turn out that way.
So, when TLR was attacked by a larger alliance after just finishing with another fight that they didn't choose, and their members were being threatened, we offered our assistance because of the shared history. Some of the posts here make it sound like TLR was begging the whole world for help, and that wasn't the case at all. They were willing to fight it out alone if needed.
There's nothing to stop STEEL's various confeds from entering on their side. That's what confeds are for, right?
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Faenix
Forum Warrior
Joined: 29 Oct 2011
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Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:09 |
 4) You attacked STEEL with NO proof of any of those accusations you previously made.. |
First off, there's no requirement for us to provide anybody proof. We volunteered our reasons to the community as an act of good faith. You can take them or leave them as you desire.
Second, the "attacks" so far on STEEL were minor diplomat missions. The first, larger wave of diplos were focused purely on STEEL leadership. The second wave sent at random members of the alliance was predominantly 500 assassins, sabos or thieves (some were moderately larger, due to the likelihood of larger runes being in place, etc.). That is not enough to cause any serious damage and was done purely for the psychological impact of realizing that your leadership is inept and can't protect you.
We have no intention of causing serious harm to rank and file members of STEEL, the brunt of our actions will certainly be focused. In this context, serious harm would refer to sieges more than anything else, as that's the only truly damaging sort of attack. 500 diplo "attacks" are a joke. In fact your lives will probably be better once we are done. You can thank us later.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:14 |
Daufer wrote:
for crying out loud let people fight if they want!
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Wait ... NC can beat on Gim and that is just letting people fight if they want. But if an nCrow player happens to want to jump on a couple of sieges against Gim because of feelings of friendship, that is somehow a violation of the above principle?
I agree with Harry -- I am not sure I'm all that happy about having to tell my players that everyone gets to fight except them.
Edited by Rill - 12 Sep 2012 at 20:16
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bansisdead
Postmaster
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Points: 609 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:23 |
Arakamis wrote:
Show me one word/sentence from that message indicating an annihilation!
abondon those who are leading you to nothing but your death.
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there's one.
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Arakamis
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Jul 2012
Location: Waterdeep
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Points: 97 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:33 |
bansisdead wrote:
Arakamis wrote:
Show me one word/sentence from that message indicating an annihilation!
abondon those who are leading you to nothing but your death.
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there's one.
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 I was expecting this. Death as in Failure, Fall etc.
Come on mates, be serious.
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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 982 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:39 |
Arakamis wrote:
bansisdead wrote:
Arakamis wrote:
Show me one word/sentence from that message indicating an annihilation!
abondon those who are leading you to nothing but your death.
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there's one.
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I was expecting this. Death as in Failure, Fall etc.
Come on mates, be serious.
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...Seriously?
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Arakamis
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Jul 2012
Location: Waterdeep
Status: Offline
Points: 97 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:44 |
Faenix wrote:
Arakamis, I think what you're missing is that TLR was a spin-out from ~N~. We had a shared history. It wasn't like they were just some random alliance that was being attacked and some other random member of the community joined in. EF was an alliance mate at one point, TLR was originally going to be a ~N~ confederate but due to past history it didn't turn out that way.
So, when TLR was attacked by a larger alliance after just finishing with another fight that they didn't choose, and their members were being threatened, we offered our assistance because of the shared history. Some of the posts here make it sound like TLR was begging the whole world for help, and that wasn't the case at all. They were willing to fight it out alone if needed.
There's nothing to stop STEEL's various confeds from entering on their side. That's what confeds are for, right?
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Well, that I can understand and thank you. There is/was absolutely no need to find another excuse (manipulating an IGM for e.g.) for helping your friends.
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Princess Xanax
Greenhorn
Joined: 26 Nov 2011
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Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 20:57 |
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Do I really need to remind people we are playing a game here? I personally don't want "real world politics" in a game I am playing for fun. And Illy, as it is, is meant to be played however we see fit with the tools we are provided- even if we wish to play as "barbarians". Pick whatever labels you wish, but I am here to have fun and
escape real life every once in a while. If that means I am militaristic in my gaming style, that is allowed. This is not the real world. If I attack or diplo your city, or you attack or diplo mine, we aren't really losing anything. It's my, and a whole lot of other people's, idea of
fun. If you don't like it, I suggest you choose a different game where you can chat and snuggle with each other all day and have no challenges whatsoever.
Edited by Princess Xanax - 12 Sep 2012 at 21:00
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Daufer
Forum Warrior
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 332 |
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 21:28 |
Rill wrote:
Daufer wrote:
for crying out loud let people fight if they want!
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Wait ... NC can beat on Gim and that is just letting people fight if they want. But if an nCrow player happens to want to jump on a couple of sieges against Gim because of feelings of friendship, that is somehow a violation of the above principle?
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I didn't say he can't fight. I said if he is so keen to jump in either leave nCrow and join STEEL for the duration or confed with him and
wait for Gimardoran to ask for aid. Until then it isn't nCrows business... or Harry's... unless nCrow wants to arbitrarily declare war on NC. That would be grossly unfair though since nCrow is about 3x as large as NC whereas NC and STEEL are a pretty even match.
I agree with Harry -- I am not sure I'm all that happy about having to tell my players that everyone gets to fight except them.
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That's the point Rill. NO ONE gets to fight because they are all wetting themselves over the probability of a powerful outsider stepping in and announcing that, even though the war has nothing to do with them, they have chosen Side A and will not let it lose. It's kind of like in school where you think so and so is a jerk but no one dares say anything because his brother is in a gang. If you are in a large alliance confederation, or make friends with them in chat, you have carte blanche to do whatever you like.
I personally hate war, and if attacked I would be rather pissed, but if I think I can deal with the situation diplomatically I'll do that. If I can't negotiate peace but think I can deal with the military threat I will do that. If I can't do either then I'll call on allies until the balance of power is in my favor. If my allies won't help me then I will appeal to anyone who will listen for help, but shame on my fickle friends. Until then kindly pick your own fights, thank you.
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