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Starry 
Postmaster
Joined: 20 Mar 2010
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 612 |
 Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 04:07 |
Yet another in a long series of bad leadership decisions by you Hath. You declared war on us, you had no qualms about pounding our members in the north, now when we have brought the war to your door, you balk at terms and play the martyr. This is the third attempt at peace talks with you and again, you show you have no credibility, your word means nothing and you have no honor. We've had successful negotiations with every other alliance we've been at war, these alliances fought with honor, they negotiated peace with honor and they attained peace as a result.
Paint us as the bad guy if that feeds your delusions but don't for one minute blame us for your members leaving or losing cities, accept responsibility for your poor judgment and leadership.
We will fight on.
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CEO, Harmless?
Founder of Toothless?
"Truth never dies."
-HonoredMule
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 2396 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 04:14 |
So ....
I expect the peace discussions with Hath/EE were pre-conditioned on a confidentiality agreement by Hath...
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1853 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 04:18 |
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TD - I'm afraid Hath still thinks he is negotiating from a position of strength - his initial counter was ridiculous and symptomatic of his delusions (with which he has unfortunately indoctrinated his alliance). The astute (and the quick on the forum read) will notice he somehow failed to post his counter offer in his rant (I wonder why).
So rather than waste more time in pointless argument since words are obviously not getting through - we decided to continue ops starting with his capital.
Despite seeing over 1.8 million defensive troops in that siege EE still don't get it. They never really have - reading their AC is the clearest indication of how loosely connected with reality they are.
Their choices are clear - make a decent counter offer which recognizes their precarious position and make a real effort to negotiate in good faith (for once) or we can take everything (and more) listed in the original offer.
Stunts like this and the constant Martyrdom in GC from Hath just worsens the EE position and makes us less likely to compromise.
Tazuk - you have (or will have shortly) barely any defensive troops left - how do you plan to defend another siege? Your response is yet another demonstration of the lack of reality that pervades your alliance. That lack will likely end up costing EE dearly.
Edited by KillerPoodle - 28 Mar 2013 at 04:20
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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HATHALDIR
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Jul 2011
Location: Adelaide
Status: Offline
Points: 380 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 04:18 |
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Starry i agree with you, if domination of Illy was our goal, this would be a bad decision. Yes we declared war on you, in support of our then confederated partner, as i hope that anyone who signs a confed would do, just as you asked your own confederates to support you. At no stage have you done anything that would be considered reasonable in discussion of terms. I have only stated the facts, such as they are, and if they hold you in a poor light, then that is something only H? can correct.
We will still be here. I am responsible, we will endure, we will continue with that we hold to be right!
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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Starry
Postmaster
Joined: 20 Mar 2010
Location: California
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Points: 612 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 04:31 |
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On the contrary, the terms were reasonable but you feel you can just walk away from the war in spite of losing it. So your confeds meant so much to you that you approached us twice for secret talks and then sulked away when Jasche got wind? Honestly, do you really think your word means anything to us after this display? Everyday that goes by will cost you more but don't feign that you care so much about your alliance and your members, if you had negotiated in good faith at any time in the past three attempts, your members would have been out of this war. Interesting that you are the only alliance left, you are the only one that has issues with terms. I believe that says it all. Enough discussion on this forum, the war continues with EE.
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CEO, Harmless?
Founder of Toothless?
"Truth never dies."
-HonoredMule
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HATHALDIR
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Jul 2011
Location: Adelaide
Status: Offline
Points: 380 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 05:24 |
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It's quite humuorous to see the debate on the conditions of our surrender, you continually threaten us with harsher terms, i was pretty sure you would have understood by now that we reject your demands utterly, your insults and your innuendo, your trolling of forums, and character assasinations, and your all too late apologies to people. We figure freedom of choice is a much better option than living under the yoke of oppression.
We are not as strong as you, never have been, never will be, but what we are seen to be doing is more important than someones good opinion of me.
And Dude there was no privacy policy in the agreement! Their bad!
You should really get to see the terms offered before commenting on them, just as a guideline
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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Sisren
Forum Warrior
Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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Points: 446 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 08:57 |
 HATHALDIR wrote:
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Yes we declared war on you, in support of our then confederated partner, as i hope that anyone who signs a confed would do, just as you asked your own confederates to support you...
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No, many of us would ask - 'what the hell are they thinking?!? why are they trying to draw first blood, rather than step back and talk???'
Certainly our confeds at least talk to us, and tell us the hows, whats and whys of their coarse, and ask us if it is the right thing at the right time... and let us consider if we can support them with actual support.
Our confeds are mutual defense, not mutual offense. Its apparent that EE is quite different in this respect... 'Yes, you declare war, we will too!' Is this how the decision was made? It seems to have been endemic to Consone starting with SkB and ABSA - certainly Consone happily expanded the conflict from that point rather than stepping back to think about it... /shrugs
Being in a confederation does not mean blind trust, you need to ask the 5 Whys, you need to think.
You might still be here as you say, but you might end up being a withered, burnt up shell of what you were, and what you could be.
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HATHALDIR
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Jul 2011
Location: Adelaide
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Points: 380 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 09:10 |
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a very considered and intelligent response Sisren!
Our motivation for war was that H? had already declared war on VIC, so we jumped to our Confederates defence, as they requested, to do so honourably we felt duty bound to declare before any actions were taken.
And you are 100% correct, we will be extremely cautious with any diplomacy we participate in from now on, to late for regrets though.
But what we want to be Sis, is true to ourselves, i believe we are doing that
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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twilights
Postmaster
Joined: 21 May 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 915 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:38 |
i think everyone needs to remember this is a silly game. a strategy game that in no way reflects who we are in real life. i am watching ee strategy closely and i must admit that it is no fun when things are so one sided. i hate to say this but usually you kill the leaders first in war and its over....good luck hath and ee but sometimes u just have to admit defeat and the consequences, i hate to see your group left holding the ticket.
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realist
Greenhorn
Joined: 28 Mar 2013
Location: Be Positive
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Points: 40 |
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:50 |
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I have followed this game since it came out. Over time I have realized this forum is not the correct platform to discuss politics. Conflict on the forums is frowned upon. Insults, trolling, basically difference of opinion can and will get a player banned from these forums now. Now, I am not encouraging personal insults of someone in real life. But opinions based on things that has happened in the game.
However, in a political game such as this, I feel there needs to be a forum that allows both parties to discuss their side of the story. The losing side will never get their say on this forum.
Why hasn't anyone made a forum for political war games to discuss events in games such as Illyriad? Does anyone think this would be a good idea? Would GM Luna object to a public forum discussing politics in Illyriad? I feel there should be because it is a very important part of the meta game in a political war game.
This new forum would make Illyriad forums a bit more pleasant and less stressful.
The only question to this would be moderation and making those forums a bit liberal so both sides can talk about events with documentation etc...
I feel their is no point to tell anyone here what I believe who is at fault in any war. Because this forum is not the platform to discuss this.
It would be fun to read a forum like this. It would be very entertaining.
Like most things I am sure this would be faced with ridicule.
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