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ajqtrz
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Quote Reply Topic: Is Illyriad a Game or a Playground?Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 16:05 |
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In any case, a game usually has a definition of "winning." A game is, most of the time, a competition with rules about how the competition will go and what is allowed and what is not. And usually a game has a point at which it ends. In what ways is Illyriad a game?
On the other hand, it's also been suggested that Illyriad is a playground. A playground is a place where people come to play, sometimes games, sometimes imaginative adventures, sometimes to chat and all sorts of things. On a playground there are more or less permanent areas where things take place (basketball courts, baseball diamonds, etc...), sometimes temporary areas where things take place (sandboxes to dig and make up games in, sidewalks for hop scotch and four square, etc) and in some of those areas are resources for different kinds of activities. In what ways is Illryriad a playground? And finally, are there different social rules governing a game and a playground? Remember this is not about LC's and do try to keep your comments on the question at hand: "Is Illyriad a Game or a Playground?" AJ Edited out the first part. Do not call out GMs by name just to say they are doing something. Thanks.
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Ricky
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 16:17 |
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Illyriad is a playground in which one can play games. However, Illyriad is not a game. I suspect some of the complaining about lack of tournaments, etc. is due to people who can't distinguish between a game and a playground. The beauty of a playground is, if you're bored, you can play games of your choosing (within the boundaries of the playground), either by yourself or with others. Illyriad is what you make it. Unhappy? Be the change you want. If it doesn't work out, try something else.
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 16:33 |
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Well, Illyriad
is a game. By definition, it is widely defined by its creators and the media as a game. A quick search in Google reveals this:
In the footer of this forum and in-game, players can access "
game information" or read about the parent company, Illyriad Games Ltd. The "Rules" section of the forums is demarcated as "
The Rules of the Kingdom: what you can and can't do in game and in the forums."
Illyriad was heralded as a
"...solid and deep MMO play experience." and "certainly a sweeping, epic strategy game..." at the
Independent Games Festival.
Players in Illyriad are constantly and frequently confronted with the fact that it is intended to be seen as a game. Players are of course open to interpret Illyriad as anything they wish -- but the preponderance of evidence supports the notion that it is intended to be regarded as a game.
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 16:56 |
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This is a topic that will have no consensus. It hinges on how one wishes to define the word "game". Personally I define it fairly narrowly as an activity with a common set of rules where players are in direct competition and there is a definite point at which either one player wins or time runs out. In that sense Illy is not a game and calling it one does not make it so. Illy reminds me more of something like Second Life: it's an environment where people generally have to make their own entertainment.
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 16:56 |
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It is a strategy game in a fantasy world. You can play it many ways and for many aims but they are not separated
there is only one world. There is no definite or absolute rules unless its written down as code or by otherwise by Illyriad games ltd.
Ps. Never heard of simulator games? Edited by Thexion - 23 Jul 2015 at 17:02 |
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 17:46 |
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Does anyone really care? This seems like just another thread for AJ to carry on his rant. First is was whether players are people, now it is if it is a game or playground. Get over it. People come to the game to get away from the issues in real life. If they wanted to be treated like real people, or play in a playground they would go out and meet real people, or go and play in a playground.
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 22:16 |
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It does hing upon how one defines game and playground. I'm asking what you think because, as people have noticed, if you define it as a game in the traditional sense then you will view the meta game differently than if you define it as a gaming environment, which is, I think a better definition of this type of game.
I truly appreciate JeJune's reliance upon evidence, something that is often lacking in these discussions, but as has been pointed out, there are games of competition and games of cooperation as well. If you have an open ended game with only the barest of structures and a maximum amount of freedom to play it as you and your friends wish, is it still a game. A reasonable example may be I invite you over for cards. You know before you come what cards are but you don't necessarily know which of the thousands of versions of card games I am suggesting. Even if you play poker you sometimes arrive and find that you are playing Texas Hold 'em or Draw or some other variation where the rules are different and even the procedures are different. You don't say that poker has to be played a certain way or that even the term Poker means only a particular type of poker. Further, if you have more than one table you may be playing different games at each table or even each hand! Is poker a game? If it is then the term "game" may be applied to Illy and Illy may still be a playground of sorts. So Illy is a MMORG with all kinds of possible sub-games that can be played. At least that's how I see it. AJ |
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2015 at 13:44 |
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Generally, communication has some kind purpose. If your writing an ad you are trying to persuade, if you are writing a sports column you are trying to inform, if you're writing a blog about your dog who died and that he was more of a lover than a pet, you are trying to cope.
What the f*** are trying to communicate with this drivel? You have never really stated the purpose of your windy ramblings but one could extrapolate. With this I dont know where you are going or what the point is. To me, it looks like you are running out of ways to retread the same ground. I would like to thank GM Rikoo for reducing the length of ajs post, making it, perhaps not digestible but at least a bit more chewable. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2015 at 18:11 |
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Illyriad is a game about empires. It might not have a developer-defined endgame, but it is still a MMORTS or "grand strategy" game.
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2015 at 02:26 |
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Illy is what we make it. There are broad mechanics and limits on what you can do, a few things you are required to do (like have sufficient food to support your city). Other than that, it's all up to us.
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