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    Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:02
This discussion is not related to any event, just a general observation done by me.

The more Illyirad live and the more people is starting to forgive it's a game, and this is strange.
People complain as "unaccepable" or "silly" things as troops attacked, wars, beeing evil ecc.
Can i point out that a game NEED those things?

What's wrong to be a villain in a game? Any fantasy story need a villain! Have you ever roleplayed?
Loosing troops do not involved people get killed, it's like avoiding killing enemies in an arcade game!!!

I would push and say ingame racism (orcs-dwaves or elf-dwarves to make some examples) might be ok and could create some amazing fights, are you going to say it's racist declaring war between an orc alliance and a dwarven one?

If you say in a game any player should not be kicked out, i agree, sieging players out of a game or alliances should be avoided if possible, but everything else is not a bad thing and should be encouraged!!! I've lost TONS of friends becouse lack of interesting fights and none becouse of them!

I readed in other posts people that say things like " i hope you have no power in real" or "i hope american and europian players learn from this", this is a GAME! I hope that anyone attacked by me in this game do not think i would ever do it in real!

We all should learn to split real life from ingame one, it's the first lesson anyone who play any game should learn. 
Do you fight with a friends becouse he did you a goal at socker? Do you think shooting someone in a game is like shooting in real life? Do you think that attacking "goblins" in a role play game is racist? I hope not!
Let's talk! :P



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This is a game.  There are ways to play games that make them more fun and less fun for the participants.  In the world of games, such things are called sportsmanship.  I think many of the reactions you see here are attempts to make comments on the sportsmanship (or lack thereof) inherent in one action or another.

Things like "don't kick a guy when he's down"

"tell the truth" (tennis pros calling their own balls is a good example of this)

Stuff like that that makes it not just a game, but a fun game.

In Illy we have a long tradition of commenting on the sportsmanship (or lack thereof) of various actions.  Hopefully we can remember that we are commenting on actions, not people.
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I can also point you to a whole bunch games ("Diplomacy" for one) which are extremely fun and exactly the opposite of the morality you think is required for fun.
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

I can also point you to a whole bunch games ("Diplomacy" for one) which are extremely fun and exactly the opposite of the morality you think is required for fun.

Tell me more about what I think ...
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Tell me more about what I think ...


Actually - you told us:

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Things like "don't kick a guy when he's down"

"tell the truth" (tennis pros calling their own balls is a good example of this)

Stuff like that that makes it not just a game, but a fun game.

"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM

"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Agree with Drejan that this is a game. The towns, troops, millions of gold, the elves, orcs and dwarves, silverthorn herbs, all are part of game and only the part of game.

The character of players may or may not be real. Some people take advantage of others, some people deal honestly. Some people exploit those who are weaker than them, some people ignore, some people help. 

I kind of believe those who deal fairly and show goodwill to others in a game are that way in their real life too. 

It is very much possible that someone who plays villain in the Illyriad sandbox, someone who spreads lies and act hypocritically as and when it suits him, is also an honourable and kind person in his real life. I don't refute the point..


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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:50
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Tell me more about what I think ...


Actually - you told us:

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Things like "don't kick a guy when he's down"

"tell the truth" (tennis pros calling their own balls is a good example of this)

Stuff like that that makes it not just a game, but a fun game.


You may enjoy kicking a guy when he is down and lying.  I don't.  And I don't enjoy watching other people do it either.

I am not going to apologize for having a sense of decency and bringing it with me everywhere I go.


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You can not enjoy when your team loose a game at socker but this is the game... Again i do no say someone should "kick guys" or "siege players out" but this is a different story, there is a line between a game and real life that we should remember.
Now, since this is not a flame, can i ask you both not to fight there, i would like this post to be costructive, thank you again! 
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I'll make an example, i once played a game called Ultima Online, in a role play server, i was one of the evil guys but i was in real friend with most of my "good" enemies even if we killed each other tons of time, looting too. Well, after 10 years,  i see them from time to time in real  life to have a beer!

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