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 Quote Reply  Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 19:45 |
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But that is the same in real life too? For almost all of the products you can easily find their price and where to find them. ==== >>> I am sure you don’t without a trader ( retailer store or online shop ) … what happen is that some producers want to take themselves traders profit so they sell their own products directly
In my opinion you should not use a real life definition and use it exactly like that for a game with different circumstances. As an example: In real life it doesn't really make sense to trade for ranking points.=== >>> as I said above I am not saying there can not be make use of the trade mechanic of the game to have fun or to be challenging through this …. What I am saying is that that trade mechanic can not be used by most for play as a trader .
In real life monetary profit might (or might not - i do not really care tbh) the only profit - in Illyriad there are a lot of different profits. ==== >>> agree
A teacher is one who teaches==== >>> agree but by selling HIS teaching leason at the centrume does that make him a TRADER ?
A researcher is one who researches==== >>> agree but by selling HIS discoveries at the centrume does that make him a TRADER
A farmer is one who farms. ==== >>> agree but by selling HIS FOOD at the centrume does that make him a TRADER ?
A trader is one who trades. ==== >>> …. all the above attempting to make profit thru it
Two stories
Story 1)
Player A try to be competitive at the score of Illyria to do so he buy and sell in the CENTRUM attempting to when he sell to take back the money he spend to buy and the taxes
Story 2)
Player B has find a Player C that his PC has a bug and can not see the Centrum so he sell what he produce at his local HUB /
player B as he is greedy grab s the opportunity and place buy orders at this HUB at a lower price compare to the centrum /
player C sells his products and he is happy cause there was no way to sell the other way /. Player B moves these products to the centrum and sell them attempting to make profit .
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| eowan the short
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 20:04 |
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So you're saying all teachers seek to profit from teaching? Are we ignoring volunteers?
If I were to get trained as a teacher, fly out to an LEDC and volunteer at a school, would I be any less of a teacher?
Neat stories, all are traders.
You can be a trader without money; what of bartering? Monetary profit is not the sole motive of a trader. I've even used a bartering system in illy; I bought prestige with gold, sold the prestige for cows, and sold the cows for gold at one point.
Edited by eowan the short - 25 Mar 2022 at 20:05 |
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 20:23 |
No. What about all the comparison sites that tell you what trader (shop) sells what for what price? Or platforms (eBay, Amazon Warehouse, ...) that allow traders to trade? Because that is essentially what Hubs are. On both examples above you have an easy access to see the "real" price of the product. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 20:33 |
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Neat stories, all are traders. ====>>>> hahahahahhahahahhahahahaha
You can be a trader without money; what of bartering? Monetary profit is not the sole motive of a trader. I've even used a bartering system in illy; I bought prestige with gold, sold the prestige for cows, and sold the cows for gold at one point.====>>>>>
I have 100 cows ,
sell 100 cows for 200 shords ( to someone that can not see the centrum prices so he does not know that 1 cow cost = 3,5635485486315984635 shords ) ,
sell 200 shords for 300 minerals
sell 300 minerals for 1 city
sell 1 city for 1500 spears
sell 1500 spears for 2 advises from an expert
sell 2 advises for 2000 bows
sell 2000 bows for 150 cows
so i have make traders profit 50 cows ..without using money
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 20:39 |
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Exactly, so monetary profit is not necessary.
Therefore, the more generic meaning of profit applies
'Advantage; benefit'
You yourself give a non-material thing that might be traded; advice from an expert.
Therefore, I see no reason why trading score cannot be viewed as the profit of trading and so Thirion is a trader, as is anyone who buys/sells stuff.
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 20:55 |
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No. What about all the comparison sites that tell you what trader (shop) sells what for what price? Or platforms (eBay, Amazon Warehouse, ...) that allow traders to trade? Because that is essentially what Hubs are.===>>>> imagine one site( from the above ) that have all the people of the world have access by deafault when opening their phones and not online buys was forbiten .......... you think that if this was aplly whould any of the producer need someone in the middle bettowen him and the costumer ???? |
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 21:23 |
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Exactly, so monetary profit is not necessary ===>>>>NO Cause 150 cows whorth 6.000 gold after money was discavered
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| eowan the short
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 21:38 |
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How much are 2 pieces of advice worth? Last I checked I can't value them at centrum. I can't ship it from one town to another.
They're intangible, unregistered by the game.
Meanwhile, trade score is not without value and is registered by the game
And, last I checked, cows are not money.
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 21:43 |
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Last I checked, you can sell in places other than centrum. You are the only one who has suggested banning a place to trade; GC and (temporarily) centrum and hope ridge.
And, why should producers need a middle man? That sounds like an imperfect market.
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 21:45 |
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And, last I checked, cows are not money. ===>>>> check again you can tranform 1 cow to 350 gold ritgh now at the centrum.
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