Havoc v. ~K~T~ Conditions and Rules of Engagement

You've gotten pretty hot and bothered over this whole thing.  I apologized earlier if my statement offended you, but it is a HUGE stretch to calling that a "schoolyard bully tactic. You on the other hand, brushed aside the apology and are like a bull in a china shop.

Let me correct you on something, around about post 8 here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/in-game-mails-the-coronation-street-of-illy_topic1998_page1.html you ask:

SunStorm wrote: I am reading, and there is a lot more to this chat log - shall I post the whole thing?

So please don't  play the righteous indignant with statements like:

SunStorm wrote: You asked me to create the DDD thread, and I did for nothing more than fun

What I completely fail to understand, is how so many people are missing the obvious.

Let me spell this out.

Knights Templar is a 5 member strong alliance. I will only say that two of those members are both me. You would be pretty darn surprised to see how small we really are.

Initially, I was slightly annoyed by how Johnny handled the situation and I left. It is true I alliance hopped, you can ask Count Dooku his reasons for why I left his alliance and you can deduce why I left FDU. By the way, shameless plug here, the guys and gals at FDU are fantastic people. Regardless of how they view me, I wish them all the best.

Anyway, I soon got over my annoyance but found our espionage to be fun. Crazy to do so in a game with thieves, spies and magic attacks, right?

Next thing I know, Johnny announces into global that he is at war with ~K~T~ due to armies on their way from player Majono. From there on, the game took on a whole new life to me.

NOW there was real strategy, NOW there was real subterfuge. THIS was the game I saw advertised across the web, not just the build a few buildings and stockpile games, but a real, living breathing game with what I feel are REAL consequences to a conflict. It's GENIUS! And I applaud the developers for what they have accomplished. This isn't like WoW where I just res at the nearest GY, I actually LOSE something.

So, off I go to the forums to explore other avenues of fun. I write the most ridiculous, pompous and over the top thing I can come with, fully expecting a lot of people to be thinking (Oh, he's taking the p***, he is), only to find that several people have taken this whole thing a bit more seriously than I have. I was surprised really. Although, I do actually think that Johnny112 may have actually seen through the layers? I assumed he had from his reply, he seemed to be getting into the spirit of it.

~K~T~ clearly has no plans to be a "dominant" force in the world of Illyriad. We are also attacking a player much stronger than us and have given an outs of sorts to let those players who don't want to engage in this metagame an out.

In fact, this little "conflict" has been great for Havoc, they are a small alliance and already have an established name for themselves in the community. ALL eyes are on them, and me playing the fool has caused nearly everyone who pays attention to side with them. And BRAVO I say. That is a testament to the community.

What a lot of other people have failed to deduce, or maybe they just don't want to is: Does this StJude idiot really want a long term career in the world of Illyriad. If you are truly objective, you would have to say "no" and you would be right. I don't.

So in a sense, I have nothing to lose from my perspective, and a whole lot more to gain by playing the fool on this public stage. If anything, I am an attention w****.

So here is the deal, if I have genuinely offended anyone, I mean, seriously hurt your feelings, I will publicly apologise. If you feel wrong that some of your pixels (yes, that is all they are) were stolen or blighted, I will return them in the spirit of Baughb, with interest.

If my contribution to this community has been anything other than entertaining, and that neither this game, nor it's community is interested in these types of shenanigans. Then I will gladly move on and spend my time elsewhere, with no hard feeling whatsoever, and definitely a twinge of guilt.

Anyway, my one criticism of the community, and take this for what it is worth. Is that a lot of players seem to feel that only the "Big Dogs" can participate in this element of the game. There is a sort of pompous outrage that two "newb" alliances would be doing anything other than being "newb" alliances. It's not crushing criticism, but I would ask some of the other more established players to allow the newbs to have their fun too. Overall, it will be good for the health of this fantastic world the GMs have created.

Now I must be off, I have a Plague of Locusts aimed at Geofrey....

StJude wrote: You've gotten pretty hot and bothered over this whole thing.  I apologized earlier if my statement offended you, but it is a HUGE stretch to calling that a "schoolyard bully tactic. You on the other hand, brushed aside the apology and are like a bull in a china shop. Let me correct you on something, around about post 8 here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/in-game-mails-the-coronation-street-of-illy_topic1998_page1.html you ask: SunStorm wrote: I am reading, and there is a lot more to this chat log - shall I post the whole thing? So please don't  play the righteous indignant with statements like: SunStorm wrote: You asked me to create the DDD thread, and I did for nothing more than fun What I completely fail to understand, is how so many people are missing the obvious. Let me spell this out. Knights Templar is a 5 member strong alliance. I will only say that two of those members are both me. You would be pretty darn surprised to see how small we really are. Initially, I was slightly annoyed by how Johnny handled the situation and I left. It is true I alliance hopped, you can ask Count Dooku his reasons for why I left his alliance and you can deduce why I left FDU. By the way, shameless plug here, the guys and gals at FDU are fantastic people. Regardless of how they view me, I wish them all the best. Anyway, I soon got over my annoyance but found our espionage to be fun. Crazy to do so in a game with thieves, spies and magic attacks, right? Next thing I know, Johnny announces into global that he is at war with ~K~T~ due to armies on their way from player Majono. From there on, the game took on a whole new life to me. NOW there was real strategy, NOW there was real subterfuge. THIS was the game I saw advertised across the web, not just the build a few buildings and stockpile games, but a real, living breathing game with what I feel are REAL consequences to a conflict. It's GENIUS! And I applaud the developers for what they have accomplished. This isn't like WoW where I just res at the nearest GY, I actually LOSE something. So, off I go to the forums to explore other avenues of fun. I write the most ridiculous, pompous and over the top thing I can come with, fully expecting a lot of people to be thinking (Oh, he's taking the p***, he is), only to find that several people have taken this whole thing a bit more seriously than I have. I was surprised really. Although, I do actually think that Johnny112 may have actually seen through the layers? I assumed he had from his reply, he seemed to be getting into the spirit of it. ~K~T~ clearly has no plans to be a "dominant" force in the world of Illyriad. We are also attacking a player much stronger than us and have given an outs of sorts to let those players who don't want to engage in this metagame an out. In fact, this little "conflict" has been great for Havoc, they are a small alliance and already have an established name for themselves in the community. ALL eyes are on them, and me playing the fool has caused nearly everyone who pays attention to side with them. And BRAVO I say. That is a testament to the community. What a lot of other people have failed to deduce, or maybe they just don't want to is: Does this StJude idiot really want a long term career in the world of Illyriad. If you are truly objective, you would have to say "no" and you would be right. I don't. So in a sense, I have nothing to lose from my perspective, and a whole lot more to gain by playing the fool on this public stage. If anything, I am an attention w****. So here is the deal, if I have genuinely offended anyone, I mean, seriously hurt your feelings, I will publicly apologise. If you feel wrong that some of your pixels (yes, that is all they are) were stolen or blighted, I will return them in the spirit of Baughb, with interest. If my contribution to this community has been anything other than entertaining, and that neither this game, nor it's community is interested in these types of shenanigans. Then I will gladly move on and spend my time elsewhere, with no hard feeling whatsoever, and definitely a twinge of guilt. Anyway, my one criticism of the community, and take this for what it is worth. Is that a lot of players seem to feel that only the "Big Dogs" can participate in this element of the game. There is a sort of pompous outrage that two "newb" alliances would be doing anything other than being "newb" alliances. It's not crushing criticism, but I would ask some of the other more established players to allow the newbs to have their fun too. Overall, it will be good for the health of this fantastic world the GMs have created. Now I must be off, I have a Plague of Locusts aimed at Geofrey....

In summary, a troll

Isabella Rayanne wrote: "If my contribution to this community has been anything other than entertaining, and that neither this game, nor it's community is interested in these types of shenanigans. Then I will gladly move on and spend my time elsewhere, with no hard feeling whatsoever, and definitely a twinge of guilt." Is this legitimate? Or more theatrics? Illyriad is not a "public stage," its a game played by a large number of people. Are there others who enjoy these types of antics, and tactics? Possibly. Are they members of Havoc Unleashed? Only the spy that is distributing information to fan the drama llama-ism of this childishness. Why have these melodramatic attempts, at early twentieth century drama, not been directed at those sharing the same interests? As I suspect, the quoted material above is simply more melodrama. (A movie heavy more suited for a silent comedy than anything else.) Should it be sincere, consider this a notification that your antics are not welcome, at least among those I routinely interact with on Illyriad, and not the least bit entertaining. I recommend Evony. It will more suit your melodramatic, gaming interests.

I have to disagree, as a famous Englishman said:

William Shakespeare wrote: All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances;

Now, I can't convince you of whether what I write above is sincere. And at the end of the day, I won't be put off if you aren't convinced.

And to be honest, I have no idea who your spy was who blabbed to LionHeartz, but other than his posts, I have no idea what you mean by "Are they members of Havoc Unleashed? Only the spy that is distributing information to fan the drama llama-ism of this childishness."

ALL the members of Illyriad who hungrily login each day and post their "opinions" are the ones fanning the flames. And why not? It's human nature, it's why the greeks held their own tragedies in such esteem. In fact, Greek comedy has been said to have been "the last of the great species of poetry" (See? I can be pretentious too with allusions to earlier forms of theatre)

And I disagree that my antics are not welcome. Since I started Illyriad there have be no end to public spectacles, and a good many of them encouraged by the pundits sitting in the Global Chateau baying like dogs for more blood.

You had "The_Dude" spectacle, the _DuQ attacks newbies "too close" to him, the outrage of the noble Lorre, the machinations of the mad king Harry, the downright contentiousness displayed by Aneirin and the countless others who created havoc with their attention seeking antics before my time.

No, from my viewpoint, it had appeared that the community was eating this all up.

Well after knowing Johnny112 had been dealing with some trouble in his alliance with some members getting thieved and now St.Jude running his mouth off and insulting other players, I have to side with Havoc. Advice to you ST.Jude, make peace and consider what your actions may cause to happen. Johnny112 seems like a very capable leader and seems to have a good grasp of the game. Knights Templar and you had best go back to the negotiation table. And also I believe you owe Sunstorm an apology as I found your comment about him rather vile.

Originally posted by StJude "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" This is offensive and uncalled for! I do suggest you apologize both personally and in Global Chat. Artorious

StJude wrote: Artorious wrote: Well after knowing Johnny112 had been dealing with some trouble in his alliance with some members getting thieved and now St.Jude running his mouth off and insulting other players, I have to side with Havoc. Advice to you ST.Jude, make peace and consider what your actions may cause to happen. Johnny112 seems like a very capable leader and seems to have a good grasp of the game. Knights Templar and you had best go back to the negotiation table. And also I believe you owe Sunstorm an apology as I found your comment about him rather vile. Originally posted by StJude "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" This is offensive and uncalled for! I do suggest you apologize both personally and in Global Chat. Artorious Go back and read the whole thread Artorious before getting all bent out of shape. The insults have hardly been one sided, and if "swollen nipples" offends you, then you probably have much bigger problems in real life you should go deal with. You guys do realise that men have nipples too, right? You also do realise that it happens to be a funny sounding word also? The fact of it is this, I already apologised far earlier in the thread to Sunstorm if he was offended. He is a big boy, and doesn't need internet white knights like you rushing to his aid. If Sunstorm himself asks for an apology to me made in Global Chat, I will gladly comply. I will even name the time and place so he can youtube it and keep it for posterity. Serially. I swear.

well you have misunderstood something.
the community here is nice to nice people.
be a jerk and you will be put to forced work whit no food....ever!