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    Posted: 01 Aug 2015 at 02:00

I am happy to announce that a peaceful resolution has been agreed to by all parties involved in the HAN / STARK / B|B war.  All hostilities will end immediately with the understanding that troops in motion will be recalled once they land.  It may take time for all parties to formalize the peace declaration on  the diplomacy page due to RL issues.


Although HAN gets it’s name from the Shu-Han Dynasty, I think that the Korean definition of Han is fitting in this case.   The word has a very complicated meaning.  Oversimplified, it is a feeling of sorrow and isolation, which is tempered by a belief that things will get better in time.   Hopefully in the future, all parties involved will be less isolated and do better working together in The Broken Lands.
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Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

I am happy to announce that a peaceful resolution has been agreed to by all parties involved in the HAN / STARK / B|B war.  All hostilities will end immediately with the understanding that troops in motion will be recalled once they land.  It may take time for all parties to formalize the peace declaration on  the diplomacy page due to RL issues.


Although HAN gets it’s name from the Shu-Han Dynasty, I think that the Korean definition of Han is fitting in this case.   The word has a very complicated meaning.  Oversimplified, it is a feeling of sorrow and isolation, which is tempered by a belief that things will get better in time.   Hopefully in the future, all parties involved will be less isolated and do better working together in The Broken Lands.

We are happy that we have peace. It only took the persuading of the military firepower of Elgeans to show this BL alliance that what they say goes, and we should start licking their boots instead. We were more than willing to submit gold to our new overlords, despite taking all the significant losses.

We also take pride that we are being forced into a meaningless diplomatic stance of Non-Aggression with House Stark. Nothing makes us happier than being forced to make pacts that everyone knows means nothing. 

We are also more than happy that we are forbidden, under presumed threat of said Elgean firepower, to settle in PhoenixFire's DoH. We are pleased to learn that no matter how much of an aggressive expansionist you can be, if you run to the right people with powerful connections, all distasteful actions in the past will be overlooked. Thank you for enlightening us.






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I don't speak for the entire alliance of Han, but I am grateful that the peace terms were very fair. Not something I would expect from someone that refused a Nap with Han or went to war with us and almost forced us to move to newlands. It is very obvious to me that Stark had nothing to do with the peace terms. <3 Wot.

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Actually nero. Hawk and Covenant wanted nothing to do with the terms. I told Bim I wanted everyone who lost troops to be compensated with either res or the gold to buy res and for Han to stay away from us. I had Bim negotiate for us with those guidelines as I wanted to be fair and I was dealing with a family matter.
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Originally posted by phoenixfire phoenixfire wrote:

Actually nero. Hawk and Covenant wanted nothing to do with the terms. I told Bim I wanted everyone who lost troops to be compensated with either res or the gold to buy res and for Han to stay away from us. I had Bim negotiate for us with those guidelines as I wanted to be fair and I was dealing with a family matter.

What Nero is saying is the terms are completely unlike you. You are remembered well in our alliance by your past actions. We remember how you ignored our friendships and instantly tried to start conflict between our alliances. Remember that we got Kajor purely because he was uncomfortable with your desire to start a war with Han (for those of you reading, this was round February).


If they were so interested in stomping out aggressive behaviors, where were they when you tried shoving us out half Almenly a year ago? We can easily blame you for our loss of population due to exodusing out of Almenly.


That is what Nero is getting at. I’m honestly surprised these terms didn’t demand our capital cities  and the drop of the LC, as well as tenfold the demanded gold. That, is what we expected from the barbaric likes of you.
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Ok Constantine. I get it you dont like me. However repeatedly calling me just plain mean isn't the greatest thing you could do at this very moment as you already know.

Also why would we demand your cities? You have taken months to build those and it would be rather cruel of us to demand more from you when we have already destroyed one.

Third, why would we ask for tenfold the gold we did when all we want is for those who lost troops fighting you to be compensated enough to rebuild. The amount we asked wasn't even actually enough to do that as the real number didn't seem fair to me.
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Please, we just settled this war, why stir up a new one in the forums.   If there were issues in the past, leave them in the  past.   If you can't work together, then at least work silently.

Remember, at the time, both of your alliances were land claims.  That by default will mean a higher level of aggression is likely.  This is a game and that is fine if you want it to be part of your experience.  It does not mean that you have to be disrespectful of each other in public forums.

When dealing with the peace between Stark/Stomp and between Han/B|B/Stark I had good, constructive & polite conversations with all parties involved.   So, I know you all can do it.
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So if I understand this correctly Bimoda. Han cannot move cities into Stark's DoH. Doesn't that make it a land claim then? 
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Originally posted by The Borg The Borg wrote:

So if I understand this correctly Bimoda. Han cannot move cities into Stark's DoH. Doesn't that make it a land claim then? 
Certainly Not!...lol

The squabble you see here is what has been going on for months between the two leaders (it can be found in previous Illyriad Forum threads). Phoenixfire was indeed the initial aggressor and has, for just as many months been trolling Han, both militarily and diplomatically. I do not particularly care for Constantine's tack in response to the 24 hour a day baiting but it is understandable. I do, however, enjoy watching the likes of ex-Stomps members coming up against it,. Bicker on!
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The idea that the peace terms were "light" is a matter of opinion. 

I think the terms were harsh, given the circumstances. This should have been a "white peace" where the alliances agreed to just stop fighting. The reason being is that this war was clearly stopped because of WoT's involvement. Any "damage" that Han caused (which is difficult to even calculate since they were on the losing end of all of the battles from what I can see) should have been balanced out by WoT's few but key additions to Stark, which played a major impact in the outcome of the war (didn't one of its members break Han's last siege?)

Also, putting limits on Han to settle in Stark's DoH, which by definition is meant to not enforce limitation of settling and exodusing players apart from the 10-square rule, is only going to cause more potential animosity.

I don't know who came up with these terms for Stark, but I can't imagine they will bring more peace to Almenly. Seems like it will set the stage for more  animosity.

Again, this was clearly a case for white peace. In my opinion, negotiators made a big mistake demanding any gold and the DoH limitations.

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