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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:38
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.
 
It seems H? has found one of the new discoveries before anyone else even realized it was in game.  I salute your diligence. 
 
Seriously , it is impossible to read that without imagining you twirling a long black mustache. 

lol dan, touche!

And thanks for injecting a note of humor and perspective.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:46
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Being a nice person doesn't mean you have to let someone walk all over you just because they feel like it.

Why should we accept unreasonable behavior?

I completely agree, but I think you lack perspective on what exactly it is to have someone walk all over you.  Someone attacked a siege army sent without any attempt at negotiation ON THEIR ALLIANCE MATE'S CITY, did not even break the siege, did not send further attacks, you razed the city, you received a large gold payment for the "inconvenience."  In what part of that is someone walking all over you?

In terms of unreasonable behavior, I ask you again to reconsider who is being unreasonable.
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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:52
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

As it happens, I WAS contacted by Valar, who asked for my advice on the issue.


Nice that you only declare that now.  I wonder why you didn't say so sooner. Maybe so people wouldn't realize your posts were somewhat less than objective.

FYI - when someone asks you to negotiate for them and you contact the other party - its probably worth mentioning that fact in your communications.

As stated in my reply - I don't accept you as an objective party in this and will not negotiate with you. If VALAR want to really negotiate in good faith this time they can contact me direct.

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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:55
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:


ON THEIR ALLIANCE MATE'S CITY


Wrong.  On someone who didn't care enough about their alliance or his mates to even stay in the game's city. The player is gone, never to return on that account. 

They aren't defending a player. They are defending real-estate which is 3 squares from an actual real-life, still involved player and should never have been where it was in the first place.
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Aarrrr!  What be all this ruckus!  

Is it just me?  What is going on?   Thumbs Down  My head is spinning over all this.

I can see the validity of both sides, but hasn't this whole thing gone too far?  Actually, shouldn't this whole thing have gone differently? 

e.g. One = Malpherion to Harmless:  "I see that X player is now suspended.  Since his town is rather close and there have been some issues in the past, would you mind terribly if I sent a siege to prevent others from claiming it and staying in the neighborhood?"

(Oh wait, it seems as though Harmless has apologized for this already.  Ok, moving on.)

e.g. Two = Valor to Malpherion:  "I see that you have sent a siege to suspended player X.  Since he was in our alliance, would you mind terribly if one of our members claimed it and then swiftly exodus out of there?  After all, there is no reason to destroy a perfectly good town."

(It seems from all the reading that this was not done or even thought about.  Rather an outright attack was sent.  Poor form really, for both the initial siege and the following knee-jerk attack.)

e.g. Three = Rill to Harmless:  "I see that this whole issue has gotten out of hand and I would like to offer compensation for your players losses.  Would you allow me to pay the debt you feel is owed?"

(This is probably the most unusual action of them all.  I respect Rill for attempting to help in this way, but the firm stance taken by Valor that they will not repay Harmless for their aggression against an active player who was attacking an inactive player seems like both sides are standing on principle.  To pay off either side is like a slap in the face when they are standing firm for what they believe in.  What if someone paid Rill to just shut up on the whole matter?  My guess is that it would be like a slap in the face.  Why?  Because she feels she is standing on principle.)

Aaarrrrr!  I know not what's been bringin' about this strange weather, but I best be sailin' before a siege be sent me own way an' me poop deck needs cleaning as well as me trousers!  Fair thee well ta ye both and may tha' wind be e'er at yer back!

Aarrr! Thar be no better friend than making friends with a pirate!
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KP, I was contacted by Valar.  I also heard about the issue from some H? players.  As I said, I was consulting with my fellow Rooks on how best to handle the situation.

But I want to ask that you cease making this issue about me.  Let's focus on principles, not personalities.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:13
PirateKing, attacking an army sieging one of your alliance mates, active or inactive, is not an aggressive act.  It is a defensive one.
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

PirateKing, attacking an army sieging one of your alliance mates, active or inactive, is not an aggressive act.  It is a defensive one.
Defensive?  I feel as thought i am misunderstanding.  was this player planning on coming back?
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Points: 281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:17
Malph was reckless even before he got to H? but his mentality of action first diplomacy never suits H? perfectly. No surprise here. Power makes right is H?'s bread and butter.
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Points: 96 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:17
"Someone who didn't care enough about their alliance or his mates to even stay in the game"....?
Wow. Sounds like you really know the guy and the circumstances for him leaving, as well as his feelings. Please share.
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