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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 05:49
Oh, so now it's not about getting fair compensation -- it's about getting your pound of flesh any way you can?

Was it ever your intention to accept compensation?  Or was it just a ploy to give cover for your intention to beat up on weaker players?

I beg you to come to your senses and be the people I have known and respected for so long.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:03
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

Wow KP... Someone offers to pay for compensation for Valar and you ignore it but keep the gold? Extremely petty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:12
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

Wow KP... Someone offers to pay for compensation for Valar and you ignore it but keep the gold? Extremely petty.


This is an important lesson for Rill - not everything requires her involvement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:18
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

This is an important lesson for Rill - not everything requires her involvement.

I don't really care what you think of Rill, that's completely irrelevant. When someone offers to play the middle man in a diplomatic situation, you don't take the compensation and say "I don't like you so I'm keeping the money and continuing the war". You thank them for helping out and resolving a problem that couldn't otherwise be resolved that way and move on. I stand by what I said, extremely petty. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:18
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Oh, so now it's not about getting fair compensation -- it's about getting your pound of flesh any way you can?

Was it ever your intention to accept compensation?  Or was it just a ploy to give cover for your intention to beat up on weaker players?

I beg you to come to your senses and be the people I have known and respected for so long.


Being a nice person doesn't mean you have to let someone walk all over you just because they feel like it.

Had we seen any good faith attempt to negotiate a fair settlement we would have accepted it - no attempt was made so we are where we are.  We made it really clear what could be done to avoid conflict and VALAR chose to stick to their guns - their choices ended up with this result.

Why should we accept unreasonable behavior?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:21
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

This is an important lesson for Rill - not everything requires her involvement.

I don't really care what you think of Rill, that's completely irrelevant. When someone offers to play the middle man in a diplomatic situation, you don't take the compensation and say "I don't like you so I'm keeping the money and continuing the war". You thank them for helping out and resolving a problem that couldn't otherwise be resolved that way and move on. I stand by what I said, extremely petty. 


You really have no clue what you are talking about.  Rill didn't "offer" anything.  She decided to insert herself into this issue with no warning and no agreement from any involved party.

If Rill wants to force herself upon us without consultation she can accept the consequences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:30
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You really have no clue what you are talking about.  Rill didn't "offer" anything.  She decided to insert herself into this issue with no warning and no agreement from any involved party.

If Rill wants to force herself upon us without consultation she can accept the consequences.

What do you think she sent the money for? If it were a simple matter of "we didn't have an agreement" a respectful player would return the money and say sorry not interested. It's fine if you don't want Rill to be a part of it, just send the money back. But that's not it, it's your chance to prove a point about some issue you have with Rill, which yet again is petty. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:33
Yeah, Rill has trouble staying quiet when she sees something she feels is unjust. I admire that, personally.
As for the rest of this matter, I tend to respect and even admire H? and their ability to be a gracious power-block; *this* just doesn't pass the smell test, though. Certainly, a lot of your assertions here are reasonable enough, especially on their own. When taken as a totality, though... I recognize you are looking out for your own, and upholding what you consider to be a standard. What I would suggest though is that you're not looking at it from the other side, and applying your own standards from that perspective!
It comes across as careless and forgivably presumptuous at best, and smugly self-righteous (not to mention heavy-handed) at worst.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:34
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

 
It seems H? has found one of the new discoveries before anyone else even realized it was in game.  I salute your diligence. 
 
Seriously , it is impossible to read that without imagining you twirling a long black mustache. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:35
As it happens, I WAS contacted by Valar, who asked for my advice on the issue.  I contacted some of my fellow Crow Rooks to express my concerns and ask for input, so they can verify that I was asked to involve myself in the issue.  I also sent KillerPoodle a mail prior to engaging on the forum.

Rather than acknowledging this, it appears that KillerPoodle is trying to shore up an increasingly untenable position by casting aspersions on my character.

Yes, I am an interfering so-and-so, and when I see something that is wrong, I try to make it right.  Even if it costs me dearly.  Even if it doesn't work.

Guilty as charged.


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