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Oh nice, must of taking you ages to right that.

He DOES deserve a gold star. He put you solidly in your place...

Keeps you on ur toes

<Squill> wrote: ANd his post was also biased and propaganda.,

Tordenkaffen wrote: Celebcalen wrote: HonoredMule wrote: Let me offer an alternative motivation for Harmless' war declaration: months of Valar leadership passive-aggressively provoking or insulting our members, testing our patience, and smoothing over diplomatic confrontations with feigned ignorance and/or vapid lip service lacking follow-through. If I were to sum up Harmless's opinion of Valar's behavior and especially that of its leadership in a single phrase, that phrase would be "plausible deniability." Too little effort was ever expended to make us actually believe they wanted peaceful or pleasant relations.  Only enough was ever given to avoid directly instigating alliance-wide escalation, in the form of flimsy excuses and half-hearted non-apologies for "free enterprise" behavior (summarizing/very loosely paraphrasing).  Azreil believes that he has toed some political line that gives him the upper hand PR-wise should we attack first, that he is orchestrating a clever balance of warmongering and disassociation.  If you believe we're wrong to attack him simply because we're tired of his attitude and the sensibilities of his crew, perhaps he's a little right. I would apologize for attacking while Valar's forces are otherwise occupied, but we don't really have another option in that matter.  It might be nice to see how Harmless and Valar face up against each other one alliance to another, but if we waited for them to stop pursuing conflicts with smaller parties, we'd be old and grey.  Harmless went to "DEFCON 2" over a month ago, and started escalating from DEFCON 5 well before that.  Valar have been in other conflicts the whole time.  Go back much further, and we had simply not yet reached the conclusion that continued interaction with Valar was so undesirable as to render war with them inevitable. Were Valar a peaceful alliance, Harmless would feel much greater onus to justify "starting" a conflict with them.  But given their taste for blood and our similar size, I firmly believe that "because we don't like you" ought to be wholly sufficient motivation--understanding of course, that our distaste is not some random happenstance but rather a reaction to real attitudes and behavior toward us. We are a military alliance and have found a fair target.  We don't honestly know how far we'll go or when we'll be satisfied.  We do know that further empty promises and obsequious fluff won't cut it.  We'd honestly have far more respect for Valar if their words actually matched their actions and they were honest about where we stood with each other.  The time for wishy-washy crap is over. Here he have it then. Harmless? - statistically the most powerful alliance in Illyriad have finally come out and declared war on Valar. HonoredMule's accompanying post though was very dissappointing. It contained: 1. a half apology for attacking while Valar are embroiled in the PA/CHAMP farce. Of course had it been the other way around Harmless and their many sycophants would be accusing Valar of a cowardly attack; 2. a complete inability to give any real evidence justifying a War between Harmless? and Valar other than vague references to slurs and insults. This must be difficult for those who always tried to claim the moral high ground because this declaration is devoid of any; 3. no real attempt to prove a cause Of course we all know that the cause of this war was AmrothAnguireal. He together with Lorre pathetically engineered a situation where he could make false accusations and attempt to gain kudos for himself in a sickening parody of honour by challenging Azreil to one on one combat. Here we have a situation where Harmeless? despite their numerical superiority have taken the advantage of the situation to attack Valar. Pathetic! To be honest I expected nothing less I am sure that their propaganda machine and sycophnats will go into overdrive to come up with all sorts of exaggerations and distractions to hide the truth, but the truth is there for all to see. "I would apologize for attacking while Valar's forces are otherwise occupied" A cowards action and a cowards empty apology. This war has the potential to to involve and affect every player in this game. Remember that it was AmrothAnguireal, Lorre and then Harmless? that caused it to be this way. I urge all neutral players not to sit on the side lines but to actively participate to end this war and I hope that you will choose the side that stands for independent players rather than those who indulge bragging, lies and propaganda. Fight for Valar! Celeb - war is war, there's never a right time or place for it if the odds are against you. Just to add my personal input - many stay out of this to give the Valar a sporting chance in this, and your attempt to rally supporters could have the opposite effect, that people who did not feel inclined to pitch in as to not make the odds any more uneven, simply thinkto themselves "Screw it, Ill join in, if nothing else than to rob the loosing side blind of all their res - its a freeforall anyway." So please restrain yourselves from further warmongering - let the participants know where they stand in this,

I am really not sure what you are trying to say here although whatever it is, it seems to be a bit stuffy and patronising.

If you look at K P' s head post at the top of this thread then you will see that he is advocating the position of Harmless? in this war and comes close to advocating War itself as a desirable and essential part of this game. You appear to have missed the point that he is essentially "warmongering" here. So I cannot how you can objectively critize me without condemning him ?????

KP has advocated H?'s position in this and seems to imply that is all some sort of brilliantly conceived strategy. Well I beg to differ and have endeavoured to show, using HM's explanation the Declaration of War, how it is not strategy that motivated H? but opportunism. They are taking advantage of Valar's situation. HM half apologises for it.

Lions use strategy to bring down a kill. Hyena's however use cowardly opportunism by seizing the moment that someones elses prey has been disabled or disadvantaged in some way before moving into the kill.

So Tord please try be a bit more objective in future.

Edited by Celebcalen - 25 Sep 2011 at 20:41