Game On

<Squill> wrote: Yeah Kilotov, perhaps the Dlords can join Valar.

not gonna happen i am afraid.

its not like our coexistence was always peachy and happy u know.
 

Regardless, that "mob of valar sieges and attacks headed to one player (Lorre)"   were 99.9% from one Valar player.  And the Lorre town sieged, is one that he placed in the midst of that Valar player's cities a while back, apparently trying to goad Valar into attacking him then.  Otherwise, how else can you explain him settling a town so far away from PA support, to be surrounded by players of an alliance he has always considered an enemy?

Dakota Strider wrote: Otherwise, how else can you explain him settling a town so far away from PA support

Yeah, not a mob Lorre is right only one player:

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Sent By: Tannhauser [VALAR]
Received By: You
Date: 9/25/2011 5:52:36 PM



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> Received: 25 Sep 2011 17:52
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Lorre

What are you waiting for then? It only took me 3 hours after YOU declared war before my attacks started. As for me believing you, you are asking for a lot. Except for when it suits your purpose, I do not believe Lorre and Truth live on the same street.

And by the way, feel free to go to the forums and correct your boy Sunstorm, claiming that mobs of Valar were attacking you. I do not believe you have a single combat report from this last skirmish, that included another player's armies besides yours, or mine.

Tann


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lol well dont believe me then


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> Received: 25 sep 2011 17:37
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Your mouth has a habit of writing check that your actions cannot cover.


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> Received: 25 Sep 2011 15:23
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grats

ill take camelot in return

HonoredMule wrote: Let me offer an alternative motivation for Harmless' war declaration: months of Valar leadership passive-aggressively provoking or insulting our members, testing our patience, and smoothing over diplomatic confrontations with feigned ignorance and/or vapid lip service lacking follow-through. If I were to sum up Harmless's opinion of Valar's behavior and especially that of its leadership in a single phrase, that phrase would be "plausible deniability." Too little effort was ever expended to make us actually believe they wanted peaceful or pleasant relations.  Only enough was ever given to avoid directly instigating alliance-wide escalation, in the form of flimsy excuses and half-hearted non-apologies for "free enterprise" behavior (summarizing/very loosely paraphrasing).  Azreil believes that he has toed some political line that gives him the upper hand PR-wise should we attack first, that he is orchestrating a clever balance of warmongering and disassociation.  If you believe we're wrong to attack him simply because we're tired of his attitude and the sensibilities of his crew, perhaps he's a little right. I would apologize for attacking while Valar's forces are otherwise occupied, but we don't really have another option in that matter.  It might be nice to see how Harmless and Valar face up against each other one alliance to another, but if we waited for them to stop pursuing conflicts with smaller parties, we'd be old and grey.  Harmless went to "DEFCON 2" over a month ago, and started escalating from DEFCON 5 well before that.  Valar have been in other conflicts the whole time.  Go back much further, and we had simply not yet reached the conclusion that continued interaction with Valar was so undesirable as to render war with them inevitable. Were Valar a peaceful alliance, Harmless would feel much greater onus to justify "starting" a conflict with them.  But given their taste for blood and our similar size, I firmly believe that "because we don't like you" ought to be wholly sufficient motivation--understanding of course, that our distaste is not some random happenstance but rather a reaction to real attitudes and behavior toward us. We are a military alliance and have found a fair target.  We don't honestly know how far we'll go or when we'll be satisfied.  We do know that further empty promises and obsequious fluff won't cut it.  We'd honestly have far more respect for Valar if their words actually matched their actions and they were honest about where we stood with each other.  The time for wishy-washy crap is over.

Here he have it then. Harmless? - statistically the most powerful alliance in Illyriad have finally come out and declared war on Valar. HonoredMule's accompanying post though was very dissappointing. It contained:

1. a half apology for attacking while Valar are embroiled in the PA/CHAMP farce. Of course had it been the other way around Harmless and their many sycophants would be accusing Valar of a cowardly attack;
2. a complete inability to give any real evidence justifying a War between Harmless? and Valar other than vague references to slurs and insults. This must be difficult for those who always tried to claim the moral high ground because this declaration is devoid of any;
3. no real attempt to prove a cause

Of course we all know that the cause of this war was AmrothAnguireal. He together with Lorre pathetically engineered a situation where he could make false accusations and attempt to gain kudos for himself in a sickening parody of honour by challenging Azreil to one on one combat.

Here we have a situation where Harmeless? despite their numerical superiority have taken the advantage of the situation to attack Valar. Pathetic! To be honest I expected nothing less

I am sure that their propaganda machine and sycophnats will go into overdrive to come up with all sorts of exaggerations and distractions to hide the truth, but the truth is there for all to see.

"I would apologize for attacking while Valar's forces are otherwise occupied"

A cowards action and a cowards empty apology.

This war has the potential to to involve and affect every player in this game. Remember that it was AmrothAnguireal, Lorre and then Harmless? that caused it to be this way.

I urge all neutral players not to sit on the side lines but to actively participate to end this war and I hope that you will choose the side that stands for independent players rather than those who indulge bragging, lies and
propaganda. Fight for Valar!