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I have been with Illy for almost 2 years. in that time I bought a lot of prestige in the first 6 months. I just got city 9 a month ago. Most of my cities have normal and some are next to water. I have dealt with these bad locations and made it work... for 2 years. I want to be in the new land because it will give me the opportunity to move to more fertile areas. I imagine exo will take as long as a month per city. On top of this will be the time it will take to rebuild these cities.

1 tenaril will allow people like me to move the first city with relatively no problems, then slowly exodus the others over the course of a year. If a tenaril is not given then the process will take even longer and we (members of elgea that have toughed it out for 2 years and up) then the process will take longer and all the newer players will be able to build several cities on their accounts while this takes place.

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I still dont understand how you can say we are uniquely privileged.  We are both playing the same game, same server, same rules. 

Privileged would be defined as "having special rights or advantages that most people do not have".  Since we are all under the same rules on the same world, I see no advantage or privilege on our end.  On the other hand, being granted a 2nd tenaril for those who have already received the benefit of using one before, would fit under the definition of privileged.  So maybe that's a question you can answer better than I am able to?

We have asked for no special treatment, no added benefits.  I never once said anything was unfair, only that fairness dictates that all parties abide by the same rules.  In the context of this discussion the rule in debate is 1 tenaril per accounts lifetime.

Yes, I do say giving people who have used their tenaril already, and gained the benefit from it already another one because they want "special treatment" is unfair.  Hence the definition of the term "special treatment".  New players do not ask for any "special treatment" in Illyriad and are quite happy to grow and become a part of the community.  All we ask is that the rules stay consistent among all players no matter their length of play.

BTW, there's nothing personal in this debate, I think Rill is great and always very helpful to new players.  Just sometimes its hard when youve been playing a game for so long to not feel entitled to getting special treatment.  I have the same debate with my phone company over renewals and not getting the new customer discount,  but then again I got that when I was a new customer the first time. 


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Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

This debate is over the validity of each other's opinions, not about issues that need to be addressed. 

Primarily, should there be a change to the current game rules so 10 city players can experience Broken Lands without exodusing a city? 

I have laid out several solutions besides the 1 extra magic move. There are pros and cons on all sides. Please list any facts, data, predictions, or repercussions you have; preferably without attacking other folks ideologies. 

If you continue down the current path, I'm canceling Christmas. 

 
Cancel christmas???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  Cry  ...i think this discussion is pointless since the devs are not gonna give the free tenarail anyways...
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I'm a vet so i'm entitled to have a permanent tenaril for all my towns, to use as often as I want, and i'm entitled to keep all my permasits and tenaril them as well, and i'm entitled to expand my alliance to 1000 members so I can dominate Illyriad forever...because I was here first! Smile
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Ouch it was just a suggestion guys.  I see both sides but I did not suggest this on the fact that I am a vet and feel entitled to it.  I just thought it would be a nice way to start the move for some to go over to BL. The fact is many vets will not move over to BL because of this problem.  It costs a lot of prestige to move a town trust me i know this personally as I have moved almost every town I have once.  I just feel that it would be a nice gesture to allow an extra tenaril.  I did not have the luxury when i was new or the knowledge that i have now and pretty much used mine on a crappy spot on the map.  At the very least it is nice to see BL coming as this game has lost a number of great players over the last 6 months due to boredom.  

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I support this Tenaril business. 

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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

I still dont understand how you can say we are uniquely privileged.  We are both playing the same game, same server, same rules. 

Privileged would be defined as "having special rights or advantages that most people do not have".  Since we are all under the same rules on the same world, I see no advantage or privilege on our end.  On the other hand, being granted a 2nd tenaril for those who have already received the benefit of using one before, would fit under the definition of privileged.  So maybe that's a question you can answer better than I am able to?

We have asked for no special treatment, no added benefits.  I never once said anything was unfair, only that fairness dictates that all parties abide by the same rules.  In the context of this discussion the rule in debate is 1 tenaril per accounts lifetime.

Yes, I do say giving people who have used their tenaril already, and gained the benefit from it already another one because they want "special treatment" is unfair.  Hence the definition of the term "special treatment".  New players do not ask for any "special treatment" in Illyriad and are quite happy to grow and become a part of the community.  All we ask is that the rules stay consistent among all players no matter their length of play.

BTW, there's nothing personal in this debate, I think Rill is great and always very helpful to new players.  Just sometimes its hard when youve been playing a game for so long to not feel entitled to getting special treatment.  I have the same debate with my phone company over renewals and not getting the new customer discount,  but then again I got that when I was a new customer the first time. 

1) You're uniquely privileged in your timing. Having a tenaril right now is undeniably more valuable, with all the good real estate that's about to become available, than it was a year ago or two years ago. 

2) If anyone pointed this out, I must have missed it, but the devs giving big players a free tenaril is a bad idea, business-wise. I'm guessing larger players that exodus towns will be using a good amount of prestige to get those towns back to fighting weight. If we can just drop one of our "finished," high-producing towns into a great spot and start claiming sov and yada yada, a lot less prestige will be burned. So I would be surprised if we get a free tenaril.

3) Eat more ham sandwiches.
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Special treatment for veterans? Level playing field?

Well, when BL was announced, everyone would start from 0 pop and no research, with no movement of goods, diplo or armies from Elgea to BL. Now, that truly is a level playing field, and I didn't mind that being released. 

Now, 1.5 years later - the rules governing BL have been significantly changed from the level playing field promised to something that favours those in the south of Elgea (easier time moving resources, faster exodus, can use armies to block off best spots or kill exodusing cities more quickly). It also favours those with most of their cities not completed yet, since the amount of time taken to get a new city after the 4th or 5th increases exponentially. 

This is a significant map change to Elgea, and with a sudden change in the rules - exactly why tenaril was introduced in the first place (when the Elgea map was made more detailed). Of course - this free tenaril shouldn't be used within Elgea - all accounts already have one of those - but it should be available to use between Elgea and BL.

Of course, there will be the usual Epi-sarcasm, but I don't remember Epi having been constructive for the longest time.
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i agree with Avid   one free move .   Evony does it for every  city   when a merge .    
one per account .   they can expire  after a month  maybe . ??
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