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    Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 08:32
We, the soldiers of DarkBlight, have been fighting an unofficial war with the ETERNAL CHAMPIONS (CHAMP) for around 1 and a half months. CHAMP is led by Amroth Anguireal, and they have met us before, when they were not an alliance but a clan- the clan Anguireal. Long ago, Antoninius (a member of our alliance) attacked a city belonging to Leander Anguireal, believing him to be inactive. Had we received a respectful reply we probably would've returned his resouces. But they did not. They replied with arrogance and scorn, sending ridiculous bargains and expecting us to bow before them. Us, an alliance with strength way beyond theirs. We decided that this was reason enough for a war and we attacked them. We had planned for the fight to be a short campaign, maybe a week or so of raids, and then with their lesson learnt we would withdraw. But what we were not prepared to accept was an attack on our allies. Grog, may he rest in peace, contacted us and we joined in an assault against them. We would now attack until they learnt respect.
But after a while, we discovered that the many Anguireals had been suspended. All but three. Zarozinia Aguireal, Thingello Anguireal and the mighty Amroth. We allowed them to flee, creating an alliance known as CHAMP. We would leave them alone, thinking that they had learnt their lesson.
We were wrong.
Whilst we were negotiating with CalaquendiCrow, CHAMP seized the opportunity to attack us. They sieged one of aberdon's city, and whilst we defeated them our full rage was opened. A siege against our members is the Number 1 no-no.
We initiated attacks and sieges against them, and our siege was also defeated. But after they asked one of their confederations to attack them it has been mine and Carl Zeis' job to prevent other Confederations from getting involved without knowing the full history of the war. We believe now that we can defeat them, but it will be much easier and enjoyable if we have assistance. And after all, why should we have all the fun?
This is why I have made this thread. We, DarkBlight, offer you a chance to help us in this war. It will be a useful training operation for you, to see what elements of your alliance need attending to. The soldiers in your barracks yearn for war- attend to their needs!


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Sorry to say i disagree, why would you yearn to drag other players and alliances into a war that as you say 'you believe you can win' 
This would just bring yet more alliances into a position of later being brought up in other threads with other alliances pointing out how they helped you when you have stated you can win by your own. It sounds in my opinion that your not sure you can win but want the backup of a larger alliance to ensure victory. 
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Do you want me to be brutally honest? We THINK we can win, but we aren't sure. That's why I chose the word believe. Yes, we want assistance. We're not sure whether they have help from Calaquendi or not, and our attempts to find out have not been answered. So, yes, forgive me for wanting to ensure that we win. 
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No your player attacked a city assuming it to be no longer in use, a simple note to the player before attacking would have been a better idea giving a time scale for reply. 
After the attack you find out that its not inactive an dont like the reply from then and you decided this was a reason for war, you attacked them 1st, in your words you say you wanted a short campaign to teach them a lesson ?
What lesson you can attack anyone you like with no comebacks ?

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Simple answer- respect. They were far, far weaker than us, and we felt that calling our lead diplomat a part of the female anatomy was reason for an attack. That was the background for it.  They attacked us first. The fight with the Anguireals happened months ago, and we chose to leave us alone.
Yes, I agree that wars have comebacks. But we felt that our allies were uninvolved in this war, so we felt that the attack was unprovoked.
And as for Anton's attack to the Anguireals... we are well known for being impulsive. He was unwilling to wait, and his actions can never be completely clear because he's inactive.
 
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Dark Blight sounds like a war mongering alliance to me. Over the past few months they have been involved into too many wars.

So, I guess if you are Dark Blight it is okay to start wars because that is what you do all the time? That is what I got from your posts on here.

Like I said before, complete double standards in game not only from this alliance, but from other players in this game. HYPOCRITES!!!!!
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Oh and one more thing.... Zerging your enemies seems to be the way things are going in this game. Not one alliance is willing to risk any chance to lose one building these days. So they ask for help from their friends to ZERG their enemy. SOCIAL NETWORKING and NO FAIR GAME PLAY!


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Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:

We believe now that we can defeat them, but it will be much easier and enjoyable if we have assistance. And after all, why should we have all the fun?
This is why I have made this thread. We, DarkBlight, offer you a chance to help us in this war. It will be a useful training operation for you, to see what elements of your alliance need attending to. The soldiers in your barracks yearn for war- attend to their needs!


This is what I dislike about this game. Heaven forbid someone starts a war and actually fights a fair fight. Instead, you have to get as many people as possible to completely wipe out your enemy.

In fact, what's more, Dark Blight is TWICE the size of them. You have 20 more members than then, that's almost double the members. If your military strength is that bad, I don't know what you're doing attacking people and starting wars.


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Some interesting responses there, well meant I imagine.  However they are inaccurate particularly your first post Lionz Heartz.  I don't post too often here, but as I generally respect the views of yourself and Waylander when I do read the forum, I thought it necessary to make an exception.

 

Firstly, although it isn't very clear from Noki's well written first post, all of those events took place well over 6 months ago - I have been with DB since September of last year and until now had never even heard of Champs.  The latter events, namely the attacks on Aberdon and other smaller alliance members, started without warning around 5 or 6 weeks ago - almost exactly a week oddly enough after the conclusion of a NAP agreement with Crows and Calcr in particular.

 

Second, there is no doubt whatsoever that Champs are being supported by Calcr members, those support troops also being used to break the seige, hence it's failure - I have scout reports to prove that.  So this is not DB 'picking on the little guy' - the 'little guy' in this case picked the fight (I don't think that something which happened 7 or more months ago is a valid excuse to start a war do you?).  Additionally, prior to attacking, Champs had made sure that all was in place so when we responded we would be surprised and unlikely to succeed.

 
Why can we not win as Noki says?  Simple really, our hands have been tied.  Contrary to popular belief, DB does not break its word, so when an NAP or any other agreement is made, we will not be the ones who break it.  We know that the main support is from Calcr, but we cannot take any action without breaking our given word.  A pity others do not view agreements in the same light, but that is the way of things I guess.  Calcr has not technically broken the NAP, although I wouldn't like to argue that in a court of law, and I think are hoping that we will be seen to break the NAP thus confirming the continued view that the community has of DB.  We are consistantly seen as the 'bad guys' as far as I can tell, so who would be surprised if we were seen to break a NAP agreement? Wink I believe that we are actually facing at least 3 different alliances, possibly more hence the need for assistance - if these alliances will attack without provocation then it is only a matter of time before they do the same to someone else.

 

Last of all, in response to your charge of warmongering and hypocrisy, this is a false illusion that I have noticed seems to be associated with DB.  I cannot argue that we don't enjoy a fight, Illyriad is also a war game after all.  I cannot also comment on what went on many months ago before I joined DB - I wasn't there, so I do not have the details to comment either way.

 

What I can say with some certainty is that since I joined DB, there has been no war that was not actually started first by another alliance, from my time with them this has been TMM (now gone I think) and Calaquendi who half way through the war, merged into Crows.

 

This recent war was started without warning when attacks were suddenly sent by members of Champs.  Naturally we responded and it was during this I found that support had been provided by Calacr.  Latterly Love World Order (LWO) also started to send attacks, again with no provocation or warning.

 

Given this, I hope you can see that DB is not in fact a 'warmongering' alliance, nor is it guilty of hypocrisy - it has simply responded to attacks as I imagine any other alliance on Illyriad would.  I think I have made up for several months of non-posting with this post, so I'll finish for now and leave you to make up your own minds now that you have the truth of the matter.

 
 
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Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:

We believe now that we can defeat them, but it will be much easier and enjoyable if we have assistance. And after all, why should we have all the fun?
This is why I have made this thread. We, DarkBlight, offer you a chance to help us in this war. It will be a useful training operation for you, to see what elements of your alliance need attending to. The soldiers in your barracks yearn for war- attend to their needs!


This is what I dislike about this game. Heaven forbid someone starts a war and actually fights a fair fight. Instead, you have to get as many people as possible to completely wipe out your enemy.

In fact, what's more, Dark Blight is TWICE the size of them. You have 20 more members than then, that's almost double the members. If your military strength is that bad, I don't know what you're doing attacking people and starting wars.
If you'd read what I've already put, then you would have seen that we believe that they have reinforcements. We do not want to get involved in a huge, drawn out war with someone else, especially bearing in mind that the prime suspect is Calaquendi. And Calaquendi... they're not that much smaller than us, and they're a Crow. Since we REALLY don't want to get into another war with them, just after finishing one, we feel that this is the best option. Since there is no negotiating with CHAMP, and they don't deserve the time of day anyway.
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