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Poll Question: Do you think it's posible to send 200 diplo waves in less than 2 mins?
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One of the browsers, either Chrome or Opera has built-in script that could accomplish this.
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Perhaps multiple open tabs with "1" already entered in the send column. "ctrl+tab" and "click on send button" repeat?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:22
I was thinking of that as a possibility, but 200 tabs?  It would take a really long time to set up.  And why would anyone do that?  I can't think of an application that requires that many diplos to land in such a tight window.  Even if it were somewhat time sensitive like an assassination before a city could fall or scouting a siege camp when it landed, doesn't seem like it would matter if it were 2 minutes or 5 minutes.

If someone can think of a reason such tightly spaced diplos would be needed, I'm interested to hear.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:39
I have sent 50 missions like that before. But it was 5 missions each to 10 cities of a player, out of which some missions were real and the rest were of 1 unit. I did that to conceal the real missions. That 50 missions took me more than 2 minutes for sure.

I don't know why someone tried this 200 mission thing. Imagine 200 scouts bumping one by one into a ward of intentions against scouts.
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Setup
Get to the send page with the target selected.
Duplicate the tab N times (lets say 5).
Put the mouse pointer over the desired diplo type - never move the mouse (you could even put it somewhere it can't move and just treat it like a glorified button.

Loop Start
Now, as fast as you can:
 - Click LMB, type 1 and enter
 - alt+page down (next tab)
 - repeat N times
When back on page 1:
 - alt+left arrow, alt+page down (N times)
 - repeat from Loop Start

Haven't tried, but I suspect this would achieve roughly 1 to 2 launches per second, assuming N is sufficiently large to prevent waiting on latency.  It could also be easily scripted by people with no programming expertise as a simple macro, in many cases just using software that came with their keyboard or mouse.  Even without scripting or any web-based expertise, it certainly doesn't take much to setup or execute.

Now the only reasons anyone would bother with such spamming (by hand or otherwise) is to be a pest (not very effective, since the person launching puts in a decent amount of effort and the target basically doesn't have to do anything) or under the belief that there's some rare chance of success in any attack no matter the odds that outweighs the cost of all the failures necessary to get lucky (a bit like playing the lottery, that).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yhina Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 12:55
Seems like quite some infraestructure, and a lot of key clicks, in multiple and diferent forms, not to mess it up, sooner or later before you end up with all the groups... and a single mess up key, could either move the window, or open close a dialog, in short, adding a gap between some waves and the next one.

As expected , feedbacks are far more interesting than the straight votes for yes or no.

And regarding effectiveness, it's based on critical success/critical failure, no matter the size of attacker or defender. E.X trying to scout a town with over 2k defending scouts, could require some quite some scouts and not without risk of losing them.. while it can be scouted by losing some 99 ish, just by critical success hit. ( as any random factor, it could be achieved with the 1st, or the never, but on the average, i would say its around 1% or so).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MoguI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 13:52
First I tried it "normal" way.

I made a little extension which added one button to illy page and click on that button opened "send diplomats" page, same what illytools is doing when sending diplomats to Statue quest.
But additionally my little extension also pre-filled number of scouts in input textbox and also set keyboard focus to correct send button.

This way it was just: click, enter, click, enter, ...

But because of page reloading I could send only around 90 groups in 2 minutes.

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So then not so normal way... I tried it using more tabs and hooking with extension on pressing enter key so that no more button click was needed.

I added also switch to the next illy tab-card if there is some or back to first.
So with this it was only: enter, enter, enter, ...


I tried it with 3 tab-cards but from central Europe I am not that close to the server so only 158 scout groups (2 scouts in each) are now going to "Cherry Blossom Grove"  Tongue
Sending more and more was slowing down with higher numbers already going... after 1 minute it was around 95.

(my ping to elgea.illyriad.co.uk is 140ms)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 14:29
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Now the only reasons anyone would bother with such spamming (by hand or otherwise) is to be a pest (not very effective, since the person launching puts in a decent amount of effort and the target basically doesn't have to do anything) or under the belief that there's some rare chance of success in any attack no matter the odds that outweighs the cost of all the failures necessary to get lucky (a bit like playing the lottery, that).

All diplos have a small chance of critical success. It is independent of the target's defense score (at least from what I've seen). Therefore, if you believe the target has a high diplo defense, or you otherwise cannot risk a mission failure, you spam it with diplomats. 100-200 t2 scouts are cheap and practically guarantees success. The only caveat is that your opponent will know who sent the diplos by capturing the other failed 199.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Auraya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 17:04
HM's method is quite close but not close enough. You need to type the 1 already so that it's simply a matter of hitting enter and changing tab. Not only could you do 200 but with decent internet + computer, I imagine you could do ~700 although possibly that's a little optimistic with Illyriad speed. I know that I used this method on Travian and successfully got 6 waves per second.. with catapults, not scouts ;) It definitely works and it's pretty effective. 
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